Julian Assange to be handed over to UK authorities

[ElNono]

Pardon powers are a little more limited to pardoning those who you might be accused of committing a crime with

uh? once there's a conviction, he can pardon or even commute the sentence.

[Chris]

djohn

[ElNono]

IMO, this is going to be protracted legal battle regardless.

[djohn2oo8]

uh? once there's a conviction, he can pardon or even commute the sentence.

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Cons ution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Cons ution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Cons ution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

[djohn2oo8]

Cannot pardon co conspirators if indicted himself.

[pgardn]

Make Trump pardon him.

[baseline bum]

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Cons ution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Cons ution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Cons ution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

You think Trump gives a about the cons ution?

[DMC]

Oh no. TSA's hero.

Say's ST's own Chelsea Manning

[boutons_deux]

Assange-ally-defender Greenwald chimes in

Ecuador Will Imminently Withdraw Asylum for Julian Assange and

Hand Him Over to the UK.

What Comes Next?

It would be incredibly shrewd for Sessions to lay the foundation for doing so by prosecuting Assange first,

safe in the knowledge that journalists themselves –

consumed with hatred for Assange due to personal reasons,

professional jealousies, and

anger over the role they believed he played in 2016 in helping Hillary Clinton lose –

would unite behind the Trump DOJ and in support of its efforts to imprison Assange.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/21/...at-comes-next/

[pgardn]

Say's ST's own Chelsea Manning

Be proud.
Derptacular will 2nd that.

[Quadzilla99]

the irony

I said it before those two are mirror images of each other

The same wishcasting, the same BOOM posts day after day

[AaronY]

Pardon powers are a little more limited to pardoning those who you might be accused of committing a crime with

Youre an expert on pardon powers now?

[AaronY]

Got his law degree from the talking points memo university primer course which was the three articles he read on it there

[ElNono]

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Cons ution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Cons ution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Cons ution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

1) There's no indication Assange would be tried for anything other than disseminating top secret do ents without clearance, at this time. Which obviously doesn't involve the POTUS at all.

2) There's no clear indication or judicial precedence that the POTUS can actually be criminally indicted while in office. *IF* he needs to be impeached first, don't forget that's a political process, not a judicial one. Until that's decided the POTUS can clearly exercise his powers.

3) Let's pretend for a second he's indicted and the theory is correct and he can't pardon Assange. He still has the power to commute the sentence, which doesn't change the guilty verdict, but does allow Assange to walk free (see Scooter Libby, for commuting sentence followed by pardon).

Lots of options, but, above all, this whole thing presume that Trump wants to help Assange, which is not clear to me at all, especially after Mueller's latest indictments. There, Assange come off as a pawn, where the GRU uses his organization's popularity as a megaphone to spread the hacked do ents.

At any rate, I'm fairly confident that the UK will also try to make an example of him before they hand him over, and so I expect this whole process to be pretty lengthy.

[Reck]

Be proud.
Derptacular will 2nd that.

DMC's crew consisting of re s.

[SnakeBoy]

Cannot pardon co conspirators if indicted himself.

POTUS cannot be indicted

[pgardn]

DMC's crew consisting of re s.

I can’t consider him with that bunch.
When not wound up or trolling, I usually find him reasonable.
And when he posts on something he has read about, he can make a legit argument even if I disagree.

[DMC]

Got his law degree from the talking points memo university primer course which was the three articles he read on it there

Kyle Griffin was the professor.

[DMC]

DMC's crew consisting of re s.

My posting history clearly illustrates I do not do crews or allies.

[djohn2oo8]

thoughts and prayers

[baseline bum]

thoughts and prayers

So he can get pardoned by our Dear Leader.

[djohn2oo8]

So he can get pardoned by our Dear Leader.

Wait and see bum.

[djohn2oo8]

Good point

[boutons_deux]

If Assange flips to incriminate Trash and his mafiya, and finger Russians, zippity doo dah, zippity doo day,what beautiful day (that would be)

[DMX7]

Good point

You can't trust a thing he says and he would never turn on Russia and Trump.