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    "Why do you hate liberty?"

    Why do you keep lying?

    Liberty had NOTHING to do with the Iraq war, and is not what the Repubs wanted for Iraq. The Repubs wanted that war so as to be re-elected in 2004 as either:
    1) war-winnning president (failed that) or
    2) war-in-progress president (failing that)

    And starting a war in the ME was guaranteed to inflate the price of oil, so the war was also head's "national energy company enrichment policy".

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    "Why do you hate liberty?"

    Why do you keep lying?

    Liberty had NOTHING to do with the Iraq war, and is not what the Repubs wanted for Iraq. The Repubs wanted that war so as to be re-elected in 2004 as either:
    1) war-winnning president (failed that) or
    2) war-in-progress president (failing that)

    And starting a war in the ME was guaranteed to inflate the price of oil, so the war was also head's "national energy company enrichment policy".
    boutons, please take a tranquilizer and re-read my last two posts. You might notice the big ol' fishhook in your cheek.

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    This is shaping up to be a classic.

    boutons, why do you hate your country?

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    This is shaping up to be a classic.

    boutons, why do you hate your country?
    Yeah, don't you understand that if you're against people who screw up efforts to keep nukes out of the hands of terrorists, then you're for the terrorists?

    Besides, everybody knew Plame's iden y. It was common knowledge in D.C. I knew it even. She used to do sideline reports at Redskins games.

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    And starting a war in the ME was guaranteed to inflate the price of oil, so the war was also head's "national energy company enrichment policy".
    And by doing so, Bush has used market forces to encourage investment in alternative energy sources, and has steered American consumers away from large, bloated SUV's.

    Why do you hate the environment?

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    I think the left wing chatterbots are getting excited over nothing. Cheney isn't going down. Right now Fitzgerald is looking at perjury and obstruction of justice charges for Libby (again, it's going to be quite interesting how many lefties suddenly gain a newfound respect for the seriousness of the crime of perjury).

    The Times' article says it itself...

    It would not be illegal for either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby, both of whom are presumably cleared to know the government's deepest secrets, to discuss a C.I.A. officer or her link to a critic of the administration. But any effort by Mr. Libby to steer investigators away from his conversation with Mr. Cheney could be considered by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, to be an illegal effort to impede the inquiry.
    If Wilson faces any sort of liability, it would appear to be due to his version of the events surrounding his Niger trip that he testifed to a congressional committee about.

    I know some of you read "Cheney" in an article and presumed that means he's going to be indicted. You can resume posting your pics of Bush v Ape.

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    @ ES. Classic.

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    Face it, Bush and his friends screwed up big time, again....

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    "Bush has used market forces to encourage investment in alternative energy sources"

    He has used the lives of Americans and Iraqis in war to push up the price of oil and the windfall profits of oilco's. The last thing dubya and head want to do is to reduce oil consumption. The Saudis play that oil price game game very carefully, managing the price of oil high enough as to maximize their sales, while not so high as tip the industrialized countries into recession and the USA into serious conservation. The USA is the Middle East's little they keep dancing on the end of the oil syringe.

    dubya gave $15B is subsidies to the profit-gorged energy co's for energy research, no strings attached. The money nor any any research results will ever be seen again.

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    croutons whiffed on that one.

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    dubya gave $15B is subsidies to the profit-gorged energy co's for energy research, no strings attached. The money nor any any research results will ever be seen again.
    OK, who do you give the money to for research that you won't about? Universities? You mean the ones that get huge donations and endowed professorships in engineering from oil companies?

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    "who do you give the money to for research"

    How about to companies that aren't banking $Bs in windfall oil profits every quarter?

    How about companies that don't have 100% motivation to CONSERVE and extend the oil-gluttony status quo?

    How about enlisting AAS, NSF, and other scientific/engineering associations to qualify recipients of research funds?

    Government research grants directed to research, pure and applied, whose overriding objective is to REDUCE carbon-based energy consumption.

    The oilco's are NEVER going to research themselves out of their main carbon-based business, no matter what BP's ads say.

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    Again, croutons. Demand for crude and distillate products such as gasoline and heating oil is not perfectly inelastic. Higher prices will lead to changes in the quan y of demand and, as XStout was arguing, a greater incentive for consumers to seek out alternative sources of energy. Once you understand that then you will understand XStout's point.

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    I understand oil demand (and restricted supply, like busted gas refineries) drives price.

    the POINT was the silliness that dubya started a war to drive up the oil price to force down demand. BS

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    So then the demand is there for...drumroll....alternative sources of energy.

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    I love the way White House parrot Scott McClellan speaks...

    "White House Sidesteps Cheney Questions"

    WASHINGTON - The White House on Tuesday sidestepped questions about whether Vice President Cheney passed on to his top aide the iden y of a CIA officer central to a federal grand jury probe.

    "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing," "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing,"

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    That porker McClellan is a real slime-ball, not very convincing as an official liar.

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