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    Cowboys and MexiIndians
    your ignorant ass takes Hollywood westerns for historical reality.

    the word, the gear and the practices came from northern Mexico. cowboys were low caste, maybe up to half of the cowboys in Texas in the 19th century were non-white.

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    Los Diablos Tejanos

    Damn straight

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    “The morality of this opening border warfare was meaningless, because morality could only be defined within a culture, never across two cultures. The moral, upstanding Comanche who lived by the laws and gods of his tribe enjoyed heaping live coals on a staked-out white man’s genitals… The moral Texan, who lived in peace and amity with his fellows, would bash an Indian infant’s head against a tree, or gut-shoot a “greaser” if he blinked. Relations between disparate cultures were to be determined, as always, by the relative strength and weakness of each, and by the dynamic or regressive nature displayed by Anglos, Indians, and Mexicans. Relations could not be governed by individual, internal ethics or morals any more than history had been determined by such parameters in the past. The great change the frontier Texan made from the Anglo-American mainstream in these years was the real, if unarticulated, understanding that his enemies were “different.”

    In Lone Star: A History of Texas and Texans - T.R. Ferenbach

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    ah, yes, the invasion of Mexico

    do you have a point, Darrin?

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    ah, yes, the invasion of Mexico

    do you have a point, Darrin?

    Yes. Life was different 100 years ago.

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    how so?

    are you comparing the post-revolutionary period to the early twentieth century period covered by the book mentioned in the OP?

    if life was different a hundred years ago, imagine how much more so 170 years ago.

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    go sit on a corkscrew and spin.

    you know jack about Texas.
    You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie

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    You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie
    Obviously the return carriage not working on the old e-typewriter, only the "post" function.

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    You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie
    He's just drunk.

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    It's not random, the book just came out. If our Texas forbears hadn't slain Tejanos for merely being brown and owning land and local authorities hadn't turned a blind eye, there'd be no cause to write "divisive" historical accounts of thier crimes against fellow Texans.
    you're asking for the dead to be more mindful of what they did 100 yrs ago? yeah, that ain't gonna work. live in the present. am i reading this wrong?

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    Nope.

    I was making fun of the living for calling Texas history that makes them uncomfortable "divisive."

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    ^ the troll thing

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    Yeah, you were were triggered at the mention of the Texas Rangers racist slaughter of Tejanos.

    Because it was real.

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    Yeah, you were were triggered at the mention of the Texas Rangers racist slaughter of Tejanos.

    Because it was real.
    What's your angle here? Why the random history lesson?

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    What's your angle here? Why the random history lesson?

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    Winehole: Last Activity 4 hours ago

    Chrisbot: Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R Ctrl+R

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    Thanks, I didn't know ctrl+r did that

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    Big Bend border wall may go through Porvenir massacre site

    “Right about there, a little closer to the cliff where the flowers are, we did a one-by-two unit [dig] right where there had been a concentration of discoveries of little metal fragments that turned out to be jacket fragments from bullets, and then bullet fragments,” he explains. And so, it really clearly conformed to a victim line, firing line scenario. The big ‘aha’ and why it made international news is because the majority of the artifacts we found were military, and the military is not supposed to be shooting U.S. citizens.”
    https://bigbendsentinel.com/2026/08/...massacre-site/

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    Arlinda Valencia’s great-grandfather Longino Flores was murdered in Porvenir that cold night. Valencia, 74 of El Paso, says she still wants to know more about the massacre. “Even though we have found out a lot about what happened, there’s still the question of why.”


    Valencia says a wall through the site could destroy the possibility of learning more. “It means that a whole century-old case is going to be demolished … to me it’s a live crime scene. They are still trying to find answers. And it’s important to us because it’s our history.”

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    The ostensible reason for the presence of Company B of the Texas Rangers was a raid on the prominent Anglo-owned Brite Ranch in December by Villistas from Mexico, although no evidence surfaced connecting the residents of Porvenir to this attack. Company B was under the command of James Monroe Fox, who in recent years had openly boasted of killing Mexican-descent people without even a semblance of due process, and posed for photos with the corpses.

    Fox and the ranchers claimed they were just returning fire and Porvenir residents were “thieves,” but investigations by Mexican consuls, U. S. soldiers, and the United States State Department found that they were killed unarmed while under the custody of Rangers. In June, the Texas governor disbanded company B, firing Rangers Andrew Charles Baker, Max Herman, Bud Weaver, Allen Cole, and Boone Oliphant, and pressured Fox to resign.

    This was a rare occasion when Rangers faced dismissal and public reprimand for illegal violence. Mexican Ambassador Ignacio Bonillas wrote to U.S. Secretary of State Robert Lansing and expressed his hope that a “judicial investigation there may result not only the resignation of the Captain of the rangers, J. M. Fox, but the punishment which he and the others who are found guilty merit, because this is demanded by justice and the good name of the Federal authorities and of the State of Texas.”

    Despite extensive evidence of a crime, nobody was prosecuted for this mass murder. Not only was there no such investigation, but Fox returned to the Ranger Force as Captain from 1925-1927, and as a Special Ranger from 1934-5.
    https://refusingtoforget.org/porvenir-massacre-blog/

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