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    Worried about White but if Pop had took away his rotation minutes after last week's games then I would have pe ioned for the old man to retire by the 3rd tbh. Mills/Forbes is easily the worst PG rotation in the league and they need White to even squeeze into Top 25 in the league.

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    This team is in desperate need of some help for DeRozan, Aldridge and Gay. Our success hinges on those three. There’s no longer any x-factors that can give us a few wins when the starters aren’t at their best. I don’t see this group sweeping a b2b this season because Pop has to go all in with those three to scratch out a victory.

    I heard some of the talking heads on NBA radio discussing how talented the Spurs still are...I laughed.
    Gasol when healthy can still put in some numbers, but not consistently. It has to come from any of Forbes, Mills, White, Bertans or Belli. I think White has the most upside playing if he can play the Manu role. But I think Belli wants to be that guy with the amount of shots he’s attempting.

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    Worried about White but if Pop had took away his rotation minutes after last week's games then I would have pe ioned for the old man to retire by the 3rd tbh. Mills/Forbes is easily the worst PG rotation in the league and they need White to even squeeze into Top 25 in the league.
    I think Pop mishandled White's return. He should have been bringing him off the bench since his return to action, rather than starting him immediately and now sending him to the bench after a couple of inconsistent outings. Until he gains more experience he will be somewhat inconsistent - like most inexperienced players.

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    I think Pop mishandled White's return. He should have been bringing him off the bench since his return to action, rather than starting him immediately and now sending him to the bench after a couple of inconsistent outings. Until he gains more experience he will be somewhat inconsistent - like most inexperienced players.
    Another reason why it makes no sense why a late first rounder like White (who was 23 coming out of the draft) couldn't get meaningful minutes last season (especially on a 47 win team). He should have gotten the George Hill treatment last year instead Pop relegated his ass to the GLeague to the detriment of the franchise.

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    Just like GS depends on Curry... Rudy's always been a great player, at ude was his issue which honestly surprises me cos he has been nothing but great from that perspective in SA and seems like a pretty cool dude.

    We're in a big 3 or even big 4 era nowadays. 20 to 10 years ago, you were still winning with a great duo (Jordan-Pippen, Stockton-Malone, Kome-Shaq, Thomas-Dumars... Not possible anymore, you need 3 stars. All the more if like the spurs you're missing your starting PG and your bench is trash.

    Spurs have been struggling big time and they're only 2.5 games from the top spot... Add Murray to this team and a healthy Gay, they're top 3 in the west now and rats don't beg for tanking and on PATFO or Pop.

    I know it's asking for too much on the Internet but perspective is everything.
    They'll do that regardless. Many did it during our 2014 le run too. Unreasonable people saying unreasonable things

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    Another reason why it makes no sense why a late first rounder like White (who was 23 coming out of the draft) couldn't get meaningful minutes last season (especially on a 47 win team). He should have gotten the George Hill treatment last year instead Pop relegated his ass to the GLeague to the detriment of the franchise.
    Last year was Murray's year, + Parker, Mills, Manu, Green etc... Not a lot of time for White unfortunately, but he did his thing in the G-League and it helped get him quickly acclimated to the Spurs way. Being in the G-League isn't always a bad thing, we've seen it work out before

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    Another reason why it makes no sense why a late first rounder like White (who was 23 coming out of the draft) couldn't get meaningful minutes last season (especially on a 47 win team). He should have gotten the George Hill treatment last year instead Pop relegated his ass to the GLeague to the detriment of the franchise.
    Yep - a 47-win team that had a PG rotation of Murray, Forbes, 50Mills, and gimpy Tony.

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    very unreasonable for a fanbase to expect their supposedly stellar franchise FO to not put the team in a spot where they have to rely on Cunningham to be a competent starter, or Bryn Forbes to be a top 5 player on the team, or expect a 33yo guy coming off the worst injury in bball to be their 3rd "star"... very unreasonable

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    Last year was Murray's year, + Parker, Mills, Manu, Green etc... Not a lot of time for White unfortunately, but he did his thing in the G-League and it helped get him quickly acclimated to the Spurs way. Being in the G-League isn't always a bad thing, we've seen it work out before
    -Tony was trash for most of the season and missed the beginning
    -Murray and White have completely different skillsets and could have played together, same with Fatty
    -Manu was 40
    -Danny was needed at the 3 spot more than anything with Kawhi quitting
    -Bryn played in 80 games last season while White had like 15

    But Derrick first had to get over himself since he was such a big shot coming out of UC Boulder

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    -Tony was trash for most of the season and missed the beginning
    -Murray and White have completely different skillsets and could have played together, same with Fatty
    -Manu was 40
    -Danny was needed at the 3 spot more than anything with Kawhi quitting
    -Bryn played in 80 games last season while White had like 15

    But Derrick first had to get over himself since he was such a big shot coming out of UC Boulder
    Bryn had a year on him and obviously had the corporate knowledge we know Pop likes. Plus the team desperately needed 3 point shooting.
    Manu was 40 and still relied upon. Not to mention it was his last year, (unless you think he should've played less for White in his final season?)
    Danny was needed at 2/3, we still had Anderson eating up a lot of minutes at the 3, with Rudy when he was healthy.

    The guys were trying to compete, thinking nephew was returning and trying to make the best out of a ty situation. Not trying to integrate a rookie to an already deep rotation.

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    very unreasonable for a fanbase to expect their supposedly stellar franchise FO to not put the team in a spot where they have to rely on Cunningham to be a competent starter, or Bryn Forbes to be a top 5 player on the team, or expect a 33yo guy coming off the worst injury in bball to be their 3rd "star"... very unreasonable
    It's almost like you forgot this wasn't the plan and how much things changed due to the nephew non-sense. I love all the armchair managers ST has tho

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    Thanks for the Grades Timvp!
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    Last year was Murray's year, + Parker, Mills, Manu, Green etc... Not a lot of time for White unfortunately, but he did his thing in the G-League and it helped get him quickly acclimated to the Spurs way. Being in the G-League isn't always a bad thing, we've seen it work out before
    Tony was injured, Manu had rest games, Danny got an injured groin and sat games too. Pop overplayed Bryn Forbes a ton, he was definitely allowed to play through his own mistakes, lack of confidence and poor defense last year. Hilliard was called up and played some games, Brandon Paul played his share of minutes too, specially early.

    Nah. Last season "wasn't for White." But he could have played some games for sure.

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    Tony was injured, Manu had rest games, Danny got an injured groin and sat games too. Pop overplayed Bryn Forbes a ton, he was definitely allowed to play through his own mistakes, lack of confidence and poor defense last year. Hilliard was called up and played some games, Brandon Paul played his share of minutes too, specially early.

    Nah. Last season "wasn't for White." But he could have played some games for sure.
    And he did, he played in 17. Probably could've been in more, but he got a great run in Austin, and likely expedited the growth process and familiarity with the system/terminology, than it would've if he sat on the bench in SA and played here and there.

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    And he did, he played in 17. Probably could've been in more, but he got a great run in Austin, and likely expedited the growth process and familiarity with the system/terminology, than it would've if he sat on the bench in SA and played here and there.
    That’s very few minutes overall bc in some of them he barely got in nominally.

    Nah that was just Old school Pop.

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    That’s very few minutes overall bc in some of them he barely got in nominally.

    Nah that was just Old school Pop.
    Again tho, he probably got more up to speed in Austin than he would've sitting on the bench and playing sparingly. Pop may have seen the writing on the wall for Manu and knew they needed another guy who could be a play maker in White.

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    Gasol when healthy can still put in some numbers, but not consistently. It has to come from any of Forbes, Mills, White, Bertans or Belli. I think White has the most upside playing if he can play the Manu role. But I think Belli wants to be that guy with the amount of shots he’s attempting.
    Belli should be, but he's played awful for the most part so far.

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    Bryn had a year on him and obviously had the corporate knowledge we know Pop likes. Plus the team desperately needed 3 point shooting.
    Manu was 40 and still relied upon. Not to mention it was his last year, (unless you think he should've played less for White in his final season?)
    Danny was needed at 2/3, we still had Anderson eating up a lot of minutes at the 3, with Rudy when he was healthy.

    The guys were trying to compete, thinking nephew was returning and trying to make the best out of a ty situation. Not trying to integrate a rookie to an already deep rotation.
    That's the issue with your line of thinking. You've drank the Pop kool aid where thinking that an undrafted loser having a year on your first round pick so he should play more holds merit.

    Bryn turning into a top 5 player on the team is pretty much worst case scenario for this team's future.

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    Fathead mini fans.

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    That's the issue with your line of thinking. You've drank the Pop kool aid where thinking that an undrafted loser having a year on your first round pick so he should play more holds merit.

    Bryn turning into a top 5 player on the team is pretty much worst case scenario for this team's future.
    I'm just saying, we know that's why. It's not always the case, but it happens. Plus... like I said, Forbes was desperately needed , as you know we were terrible offensively/hitting 3's last season.

    Having great 3 point shooters is invaluable in todays NBA. Like him or not, that's what he's been this season, hitting at a 44% clip. The argument could be made that due to him getting so many reps last season (+ the work he put in) that he's in such a great rhythm and has all this confidence.

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    I'm just saying, we know that's why. It's not always the case, but it happens. Plus... like I said, Forbes was desperately needed , as you know we were terrible offensively/hitting 3's last season.

    Having great 3 point shooters is invaluable in todays NBA. Like him or not, that's what he's been this season, hitting at a 44% clip. The argument could be made that due to him getting so many reps last season (+ the work he put in) that he's in such a great rhythm and has all this confidence.
    Bryn could play to his absolute ceiling this season and it's not even a blip on the Spurs' chances of success this year. At his best, he's an 8th guy on an okay team.

    A guy with literally only 1 NBA ready skill shouldn't be prioritized over developing a guy that can turn into an impactful 6th man / solid starter for you.

    Pop agrees so much with your above statement that he decided to bring back 3 other guys (Patty, Beli, and Davis) that also provide only 1 useable skill in today's NBA

    It's fine to give PATFO some slack for the that Kawhi put them in but they should be held accountable for so many missteps in the last decade that a ton of fans were saying WTF to and ended up being right. To blindly accept every single move that they do seems crazy to me tbh.

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    It's like some fans don't even remember the Michael Finley, Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr era tbh.......

    The front office seems to have completely forgotten that any modi of success they were able to luck into after those years was because of guys like Danny & Kawhi....size/athletcism on the wings.....

    Having to roll out Patty/Beli/Bryn in meaningful minutes (even with Dejounte out) in today's NBA is a ing joke and any other front office would get crucified for it tbh

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    LMA has been playing tremendous defense. Good bounce back game offensively. If he can play like this more consistently then they're definitely a top 4 seed.

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    Also: it's scary how much we depend on Rudy Gay's health. Who would have thought...
    Stay healthy Rudy!

    (He's my favorite ballhog.)

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    No resting. This team doesn't get the luxury of resting. Just play it out and see how it goes. If goes south quickly, then you can rest guys.

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