Anyone ready to admit it?

[Fusternino]

Oh OK, gotcha. Harrell was upset he wasn't getting a new contract (he was signed week after Kawhi trade) and I believe to this day he was being used as trade bait. And I know about the tampering rules and not wanting to even give the appearance of tampering.

We'll see what happens. Probably a lost season.

[tbdog]

I preferred him strongly to Lou who a lot of people were putting in Clips/Kawhi trades.

Harris has been a career loser and not a leader. Plus he is on an expiring deal and wants lots of money. Gali and Williams are the leaders of that team. Berverly is the heart. Then their is Harris, just as the talented player. He is not the guy the Clippers rely on down the stretch. Stats alone he will get good money from any team with heaps of cap space next season. The biggest issues with Spurs current deal is that Poeltl didn't jump out of our skin being a lottery pick in his 3rd season. Still, we have him for another 2 more seasons on top of this one.

Spurs will be players on the market after the 2019 season. Hence why they gave Bertans, Forbes, and Beli 2 year deals. Gasol will be off books and Mills will be on an expiring contract. Gay will be extended. Even then Spurs could easily go into the offseason with LMA, DD, Gay, Murray, Mills, Poeltl, Walker, White, Metu, and two 1st picks, and next years mid-level exception player, plus 20 to 30 million in cap space. If they lose DD, they could have up to 50+ mil in cap space. Then the following season they'll have Mills and LMA expiring, whom both if they are included in future plans will come cheaper than their current deals.

[rasuo214]

Nah, I'm not in a rush to tear it down, and any path to contending any time soon involves getting a third star around LMA and DMDR and hoping guys step up. Of course, there were rebuild ideas that I did have interest in, especially since Memphis fans were interested in swapping Parsons and fourth-overall for LMA if the Spurs could have somehow acquired a lottery pick through a Leonard trade. My fantasy was Bagley/Bamba/JJJ at 4, Walker at 12 and Porter Jr at 18.

My issue is LMA doesn't really fit the team's current timeline, he's about to be in his mid 30s and I think his future production will basically be what we've seen this and the 16-17 season more than last season. The off-season was peak value and they could have tried for a deal like you mentioned. It would have been a risk but they sort of need to take some risks (like they did when trading for Kawhi).

[Chinook]

My issue is LMA doesn't really fit the team's current timeline, he's about to be in his mid 30s and I think his future production will basically be what we've seen this and the 16-17 season more than last season. The off-season was peak value and they could have tried for a deal like you mentioned. It would have been a risk but they sort of need to take some risks (like they did when trading for Kawhi).

The team doesn't have a timeline. Guys like Murray and Walker don't open a window until they establish themselves are stars. As it is, the Spurs don't project to be much more than a decent playoff teams for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, something chances to give them a window.

[Fusternino]

The team doesn't have a timeline. Guys like Murray and Walker don't open a window until they establish themselves are stars. As it is, the Spurs don't project to be much more than a decent playoff teams for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, something chances to give them a window.

So you're basically content with the LMA/DDR/Gay Big 3 for the next 3 years while the young guys develop?

[rasuo214]

The team doesn't have a timeline. Guys like Murray and Walker don't open a window until they establish themselves are stars. As it is, the Spurs don't project to be much more than a decent playoff teams for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, something chances to give them a window.

That's kind of my point that the team isn't expected to be a decent playoff team anytime soon so why are they clinging onto an aging star? He was able to rebuild some trade value after a good season but now they'll be lucky to get anything decent. I also wouldn't be surprised if he demands a trade again after the season.

[Chinook]

So you're basically content with the LMA/DDR/Gay Big 3 for the next 3 years while the young guys develop?

Nope. I'm down for trying to contend. The fastest way to do that is to get a good pick and use it well while opening up legit cap space to add to their core.

That's kind of my point that the team isn't expected to be a decent playoff team anytime soon so why are they clinging onto an aging star? He was able to rebuild some trade value after a good season but now they'll be lucky to get anything decent. I also wouldn't be surprised if he demands a trade again after the season.

Trading for value sucks. You don't win games by having the most value. Right now, Aldridge is holding up the ceiling for the Spurs. He plays like he did last year, and this team can play with anyone. In comparison to whatever Murray and Walker can do, Aldridge blows them out of the water until they show otherwise. It's up to PATFO to make it work. They chose this hill to fight on. The team has a long history of finding ways to stay relevant despite their best players aging. They'll just have to do it again.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm assuming also that most of what Cris Carter said including "Jerry West said he would move mountains . . . " is actually true. Also, it seemed a bigger issue was that Pop/RC themselves didn't think Clips had enough assets.

That doesn't mean anything even if it comes from a gm. Ultinately the owner and other executives sign off on trades this big. It's a good quote but no team was going to mortgage their future on Kawhi because his trade value was terrible. Yes LA teams dont pay premiums when they can sign him after this year for free and cheaper.

[r0drig0lac]

I am still not a fan of Harris. And I actually don't see him the top 2 best player for the Clippers. Clipper bench and depth is making them really relevant atm.

he is the best player in the clippers and one of the best forwards in the league (top 10-15), no question, and they are clearly the deepest team in the league (in fact their depth is historically scary)

[alpha_HaZE]

Anyone ready to admit that they should have traded LMA during the off-season? That was one of the main reasons I didn't like the Demar trade is because it meant they would keep LMA for a futile attempt at competing this season.

This, I think if LA goes, we are better team period.

[duncan2k5]

Resigning LMA to that extension is an underrated bad move that no one really talks about on here

[duncan2k5]

This, I think if LA goes, we are better team period.

Completely agree