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As much as I want to know what happened, burning sources is not kosher imo
And personally, I don’t hate Kawhi the person, I feel bad for him. I kind of hate that he seems so mentally weak that others influence him so badly, but I mostly feel bad for that reason too.
But boo the out of him and then it’s over after tonight. I really just hope he doesn’t go to the Lakers though. I will nearly fully forgive him if he spurns them.
As much as I want to know what happened, burning sources is not kosher imo
Absolutely it was never affirmatively confirmed that it was offered and my guess is no. After the Paddy Mills and Gasol deals (and they reportedly wanted to a max old and brittle /injury prone CP3, he just didn't give them a chance)... If I am Leonard I look at that as a sign of disrespect.
Its closer to 80% PATFO fault than Kawhi.
Whats even worse is that all sorts of stories have been coming from PATFO sides but Leonard has remained like a total pro this whole time.
So here is the turn heel
nah burning sources is legit as long as you're ok with the consequences
Did you get that intel from when you have been wiping KY Ass?
It is just another game. If Thursday night football were on then I would probably watch that instead. It's January guys, it's not the super bowl for the Spurs. Kawhi left us and that hurts us.
But in the long run, what does that really mean for the Spurs? I'm not sure. Kawhi and LMA really didn't mesh. And we couldn't get rid of LMA for anything of value (Phoenix wouldn't even give us Josh Jackson
We were up game 1 in 2017 by a ton and most Spurs fans (not me however) took that to mean that we would've won the series. Golden St is ripe for the taking THIS year and I believe that Kawhi cost himself a le tbh... sort of, bc that does mean that Pop would have to play White over Forbes and Mills in the rotation and Murray doesn't get hurt this year. But i think Pop wouldve done just that by the Rodeo Road trip and we would be the clear number 1 seed in the West. We honestly wouldve been a little reminiscent of 2003, one clear MVP and a bunch of really good young talent who aren't quite in their primes but are on their way up, surrounded by the best role players we could ask for. Except we would have a legit all star to cover up for any off game Kawhi had.
But this is all for naught and Kawhi wanted out and the Spurs turned on him in the media. And believe it or not, but the Spurs have a lot of power in the league and the media. And they have an outstanding reputation and this messy divorce was worse than Tim's divorce from Amy. I think this game means EVERYTHING to Kawhi tbh bc it's his ultimate FU pop game for exiling me 1000 miles from my family and home. But the Spurs are a great home team so I expect us to win.
And my dumbass just answered my own stupid question on what it cost us in the long run
I will be glad if the Kwahi BS gets over with after this game or even this year. We have a entertaining team this year with some youngsters learning to play in the big leagues and a couple who may be even better coming back after injuries. It's a great team to talk about and to cheer. The quicker we let Kwahi go and enjoy the new Spurs, the better.
It is very simple to me, we are Spurs fans, not Kawhi fans, boo that man and his uncle even if he's not there. I might forgive him if he doesn't go to the Lakers.
The whole thing still ing sucks. As much as many Spurs fans including myself feel jilted by Kawhi, it's only because we loved him so much on the Spurs. It's painful to lose a player of that caliber, especially one that seemed like he would carry us back to the top again. It's really surreal that all of this even happened to this organization.
No one cares what you think, nerd.
I am not watching. My heart cannot take it.
Meh, in the end, whatever caused the rift was petty bull and the fact they couldn't come together and talk it out is really a shame. Spurs by all records did what they could to try and appease Leonard and uncle but it was too late by then
I doubt 30 for 30 will still be around 10 years from now.
the question is why didnt the spurs offer him a super max with 2yrs remaining on his current deal to lock him in? injury?
or they think he pull a loyalty guy and take discounts?.....take discounts so u can go give out stupid loyalty contracts to vets again who have no business being on the roster?
hate it when spurs lowball players then see them leave, especially when u have a roster thats contending...
It still hurts
Thanks for the insights, interesting stuff about the behind the scenes stuff. Hopefully there's a fine line between giving some more info out without getting "blackballed."
Some random thoughts of my own:
-Anybody that is okay with how Leonard went about his business (regardless if PATFO deserve a fair share of blame, I think they do FWIW) isn't a real Spurs fan, plain and simple. Don't call yourself a Spurs fan if you think he doesn't deserve nothing but negativity from the fanbase. You are delusional and you probably aren't that smart of a person if you think otherwise. I think he's easily a top 3 player in the league and it's fine if you are a player fan. But there's no middle ground.
-He's 125% leaving Toronto. I don't care if they win the championship or get bounced in the 1st round, he's gone and he'll be in LA by 2019.
-I have no problem with Kawhi being a diva and saying I want out. Gone are the days of Timmy/Manu and it's 100% the front office's fault if they thought they could get the same kind of loyalty/sacrifice from Kawhi that they got from those guys. I low-key think he's one of the biggest divas and me-first guys in the league easily. Obviously, every single superstar is me-first but I truly think that Kawhi doesn't give too much of a beyond anybody but himself and his "group." Last season and this season sitting out games is all the evidence you need to point to to support that theory. Tbh that's fine, but I honestly think he's just a person. He came from a rough upbringing and his family seems pretty ty all around so it's understandable but he's legit worse than Kobe when it comes to that regard.
Thanks Timvp for the take. You used the word “sympathetic” to describe Kawhi. I believe whatever it was, Kawhi and his representatives should have communicated well. Pops/RC have a team to run with responsibilities to the owners, the fans, other players, etc. Whatever it was I think the Spurs way would’ve found a way to resolve if they were communicated. We have Pau’s and Mills’ contracts that are horrendous but they were willing to work with Spurs, i.e. Pau opting out to allow Spurs to sign a FA, etc. Spurs management would’ve found a resolution. He didn’t have to smear the organization’s image, try to blame Parker, etc. From what we know now, Kawhi and his representatives did wrong, unless they Kawhi’s camp come out to tell the truth. I don’t expect them. For what I know about my beloved Spurs who take care of their players and who’s a class-act all the way, the burden of proof is on Kawhine. He deserves to be booed every time, and know how Spurs fans disapprove what he did. I hope the Spurs kick their asses out. GSG!
I still remember when Jabari came out with a report early in the offseason that the friction between the two sides was healing and that an extension would be reached soon. Then, Woj came out with a report saying the Spurs wouldn’t blindly offer Kawhi the supermax and that he needed to prove his loyalty first.
That’s when things spiraled out of control and Kawhi demanded a trade.
one of the most not well thought out part of his injury hold out was how he could justify getting the super max when he just sat out an almost entire season with an injury.
Considering Jabaris sources came from Leonard camp one can imagine how RC opening his mouth to the media saying he had lost sleep over the rift and how he allegedly turned teams away inquiring about Leonard + him saying Kawhi was their priority, perhaps they thought whatever it was they wanted the Spurs were going to acquiesce to. But if you make such statements and then don't want to move an inch from where you stand then you don't really mean what you said.
If by then, there was an angle of distrust between the Uncle and the FO, something like that can be enough to do a 180 on both sides.
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