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no no
thats why theyre electronic now
TO MAKE IT SAFER
safer
safe
safety
make YOU safer
more secure
It says that no matter who we write to, no matter who we try to talk to about it or get thigns fixed, theres always 1 spurswomen/useruser/jochchhejaam/clandestino for every 1 of us
so it makes it seem like a stupid opinionated debate
just like this thread
no no
thats why theyre electronic now
TO MAKE IT SAFER
safer
safe
safety
make YOU safer
more secure
The GAO report says that electronic voting is vulnerable. I agree. It does not say that Bush stole the 2004 election. There is zero evidence of that.
Wacky unhinged lunatics say that Bush stole the 2004 election. It is a conspiracy theory.
So yes, you are continuing to marginalize yourself. I don't think you know how to stop before you go off the deep end and take everything to the wild moonbat conclusion.
In fact, you are marginalizing legitimate concerns about electronic voting. I would love to see reforms that improve security. I would love to see voting machines print out an anonymous copy of the ballot I fill out, which can be placed in a ballot box to be used for recounts. Other countries already do this.
But when all these concerns get framed in same old lefty "BU LER STOLE ELECTION DIEBOLD NEOCON CABAL OIL OIL OIL FASCISM REPUG YEEEAAARRRGHHHH!!!" rambling, normal people dismiss it as ranting and raving. It gets tuned out.
I swear, when people start to support conservatism, the hormones released the brain while someone is avidly "conserving" must also serve to block synapses in the brain's "bull detection" region
why would a hacker want to change to vote in bush's favor.. why not kerry.. ?
That is not the right question to ask and only serves to further my point of how a legitimate issue becomes a stupid opinionated debate
because one usually changes something thats not going to happen?
You'd be wise not to label me, because about 85% of the time you'd be wrong...
And sorry, this is exactly what a lot of liberals look like to some of us who honestly could go either way if given a decent choice. (and User isn't a Republican, btw.)
I'm not quite sure that's the image they are shooting for, but that's what they have become:
That was hysterical.But see, when all the leftie media does is rehash the same old "BUSH IS STUPID EVIL HITLER WAR REPUGS STOLEN ELECTION CHIMP GREEDY OIL HALLIBURTON CHENEY SPIN POLICE STATE GO INSURGENTS GO YEEEEEEEAARRRGGGHHH!!!! over and over again, with no coherent message, it makes it easy for the right to say, "Yeah, we're not doing so well, but whaddya gonna do about it? You gonna vote for those freaks? Didn't think so. Here, have another nice highway project. China's paying!"
"why would a hacker want to change to vote in bush's favor"
so dubya would win?
When its all said and done no matter how much you people think you are "conserving" things, nothing will change the in fact that a paper-do ented vote is safer and less subject to voter fraud.
None of the partisan you people say will ever change that.
I don't think you can take this for anything more than a theory or a weird statistic
but electronic voting is total bull
total
user and I talked about this in like march
theyre electronic ballots
but they have paper backups...
which come from the electronic results
but the results are electronic?
This was in the original post, in case some of you quickly decided to respond just cuz it was NBADan:
"The United States is the only major democracy that allows private partisan corporations to secretly count and tabulate the votes with proprietary non-transparent software."
Think about that for just 15 seconds, just try.
ok how do you stop voter fraud .. quit ing about it and give me some solutions..
I mean they found dead people voting in chicago before... it's been going on forever in this country.... so how the do you stop it.. without infringing on someones civil liberties....
Well then shouldn't the GAO's findings disturb you then?
See, if Nbadan and the other lefties knew how to communicate, they'd realize that, hey, right-wingers should be concerned about this too, because all it would take is a Daily KOS diarist with some computer savvy to get Che Guevara elected to Congress.
But noooooooo... immediately they have to flip out and go to "SEE WE TOLD YOU BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION FASCISM CHIMPY BLOOD FOR OIL HITLER YEAAAARRGGHHHH!!!!" and normal people respond with, "Oh, look, there's another lunatic lefty foaming at the mouth."
Meanwhile, the GOP Congress keeps swiping their Bank of China Platinum credit card and sentencing our grandkids to work in a model car assembly plant or a rice-grain calligraphy shop.
Fraud will always be a threat, but moving from paper to electronic is moving in the wrong direction.
Step 1 would obviously be to go back to paper...
I agree...but it's kind of like the little boy that cried wolf. SOooooooo many conspiracy theories that are utterly ridiculous are perpetuated by the left that the legitimate ones get buried in the bull .
What I find kind of funny about this one is not that there is a potential case of fraud, of course methods like that are highly susceptible to it, but that even if there were...the results could still have gone either way..you can't prove one way or the other what votes should have been or which ones were actually valid. Or are dead people voting from their graves considered to be legitimate these days? I think it all evens out in the end.
I'm an accountant, I know all about the necessity of a paper trail.
Paper is cheaper than tin foil but looks like you opted for the latter!
I dont think evening out in the end is a good excuse to ignore it though, because by 'the end' we're talking like ~10 elections or so, and thats a long time for things to get ed up
and as soon as some tries to clean it up.. the left calls foul..
Mon Oct 24,11:53 PM ET
Protestors chanted outside a congressional hearing in Milwaukee Monday.
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The hearing was to discuss voting irregularities in Wisconsin in 2004's presidential election.
Green Bay Congressman Mark Green had asked for the hearing after state auditors recently found 105 instances of improper or fraudulent voting in 5 Wisconsin cities including Milwaukee and Madison.
the protestors oppose proposals requiring voters to show photo identification before voting.
Did I say it should be ignored? There will always be fraud no matter how much you do to protect the process ... but that one is pretty huge. Just don't assume that because there is fraud automatically makes it REPUBLICAN fraud. There are cheating bas s on both sides.
"the protestors oppose proposals requiring voters to show photo identification before voting."..................................Thats because their rights are being violated to throw an election!
Here's a conspiracy theory for you:
I think all these wacky left-wing websites are run by the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton cabal. I think Cindy Sheehan is a secret Repug operative.
It makes perfect sense, right? Ordinarily, when a party gets in the position the Republicans are in, the public gets disgruntled and votes in the other party. If these lefties truly were lefties, the last thing they would want to do is draw attention away from this self-immolation by the party in power, or give voters second thoughts about replacing them.
But instead, as the GOP starts swirling in the toilet, here come the lefties splashing and foaming and banging the seat up and down... and keeping the GOP afloat.
Seems a little too convenient, doesn't it?
and as soon as some tries to clean it up.. the left calls foul..
Mon Oct 24,11:53 PM ET
Protestors chanted outside a congressional hearing in Milwaukee Monday.
ADVERTISEMENT
The hearing was to discuss voting irregularities in Wisconsin in 2004's presidential election.
Green Bay Congressman Mark Green had asked for the hearing after state auditors recently found 105 instances of improper or fraudulent voting in 5 Wisconsin cities including Milwaukee and Madison.
the protestors oppose proposals requiring voters to show photo identification before voting.
The GAO report goes way beyond merely saying that paper-less e-voting is vulnerable to manipulation. I believe It provides the frame-work to the motives, means and opportunity of an apparent crime.
Fact: Diebold and other E-Voting machine makers are openly W supporters. Before the election, the President of Diebold promised to deliver Ohio to Bush.
Fact: E-voting machine tabulators can be manipulated with a modem and Microsoft Access and Excel leaving no trace in their wake.
Fact: E-voting machines operate on proprietary software owned by a private corporations who refuse to make their software open to investigation, and in some cases, these corporations have owners with felony convictions. Where is the governmental oversight?
Fact: Some States like California have banned the use of paper-less E-voting machines due to their own tests which prove the machines suffer from systematic unreliability and failure to secure voting data.
Fact: Voting irregularities were first detected on election night by polling data.
Fact: The GAO report itself finds impossible occurrences and statistical impossibilities in the voting data which have never been explained.
Fact: The 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections were stolen and today we are all living in something much less than a true democracy.
thats a nice article
except it has no link
and its kind of short
and it has no authors name attached
and they didnt use capitalization to begin a sentance
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