The issue is not so much the Spurs BUT the true star value worth a trade for Kawhi Leonard. As it turned out, most teams stayed put on him. It is simply a reflection of the current market and Kawhi's value in trade chips. Bottom line, it is always a gamble. If you look at DDR it has been a 50/50 scenario this season. First half had a lot of promise. In all fairness, something appears not quite right with him at present though. Time will tell. Anthony Davis was supposedly the easiest of deals before the trade window opened up and as it stands, he is still a Pel...Bottom line, teams in contention are reluctant to trade their established stars for another star that always has a potential to go pear shape. And why would they? Hence, the Spurs approach in building from the ground up patiently and having a transitional few years with senior players and competing for playoffs whilst a team finally comes together ain't bad at all. That or the 1 minute succesful NBA GM handbook. Is in on amazon?
OP is always on suicide watch but anyways I don't care anymore about who won the trade. I have moved on. #2 Put the Spurs in an awful position where they were never going to win on the trade. Spurs need to focus on now getting a big wing defender at the 3. Most likely they will have to find that player through the draft and develop him.
Spurs fan mentality
Kawhi before he left: "Kawhi sucks. Trade him"
Kawhi after he left: "We miss you, Kawhi"
Seeing our FO getting clowned by Raptors fans/'VORP twitter' gurus over the Green throwaway hurts. It is like we've become just another dumb team in the league
Not against moving Green but it should've been done through a separate route where you attempt to get an asset for him, especially in the current arms race out EAST (or you keep him expiring since you knew you have the most injury-prone wing rotation in the league). The fact they have haven't dared the Raptors with some brinkmanship over Mills/Gasol instead of Green is utterly negligent.
Masai Ujiri styled on RC/Pop in this trade, no other way around it. He achieved everything he wanted: shook-up the Raptors without losing any prized young talent/assets and salary-dumped Derozan for two proven playoffs performers (a superstar + 3&D wing with league-wide rep among Executives and the Zach Lowes of the media)..
Last edited by spursistan; 02-13-2019 at 02:31 AM.
deMar will be the spurs' franchise player.
That trade broke DeMar.
I thought it was fair to go back farther when you threw in Antoine Walker. Still, Kyrie was only two seasons ago, and that was at least as lopsided. I get it, though, DDR has been pretty spotty since the Toronto game.
Last edited by ZeusWillJudge; 02-13-2019 at 09:42 AM.
Seems like the Spurs were scared of taking a risk and making a "bad" (from an optics pov) trade or a trade for the future so they went the safer route of wanting a big name player in return. Compare it to the PG trade, the Pacers got on for making that trade but looking at it now Oladipo and Sabonis looks to have been a pretty decent package considering the situation and they've done better than with PG (albeit PG is having an MVP season and Oladipo suffered a major injury this season).
But maybe they get a steal with the draft pick and salvage the trade.
A 70-year-old Pop coming off the death of his wife didn't have the stomach for this type of tension/turmoil anymore. He just wanted to get done with it swiftly and enjoy a peaceful summer.
This is the downside of having guys with one foot in retirement still calling the shots..It almost always goes wrong in sport or business.
There is a reason why Colin Cowherd is blocked on Olympus. And now this whinefest thread is too.
Last edited by ZeusWillJudge; 02-13-2019 at 10:11 AM.
If Kawhi leaves Toronto, the trade won’t look that bad
Impossible to judge right now. Of course Toronto got the better end of it this year, but if they don't make it to the finals and Kawhi leaves, it'll just be an interesting risk-taking season that didn't pan out. On the other hand, if the Spurs trade DeRozan and a draft pick or two for a great player in the draft or a starting SF, it might work out long-term for them. We'll see....
Would you trade Derozan for those two players, Hart, and a Lakers first round pick in the summer now that you've seen Derozan?
Sad truth.
But there's people here saying there were better trades but were kept secret....
DDR is not bad technically, potential is there, unfortunately he lost his balls somewhere -I don't know how much this was predictable, the guy has an history of mental health problems (nothing wrong, it happens): a downfall like this is so vertical and deep that probably nobody could fathom it.
Green wanted out. He quite said so when talking about his misdiagnosed injury. Anyway everybody here was pissing on him all the time.
If kawhi stays (healthy) in Toronto, then yes.
But we all knew that.
Still need to wait if one year under his belt with the Spurs improves DeMar mentality as it did with Aldridge.
And also what happens with Leonard and his "Entourage".
if I were one of the people who believed Demar was a better offensive player than Kawhi, I would seriously consider not watching more basketball, bbecause in this case my assessment of the game would be so out of touch with reality that it is scary, watching games is still more important than reading advanced stats, some people got lost believing the opposite.
yes, brought him to the real basketball conference where Lebron James can not make playoffs just for being Lebron James
Ingram was off the table.
I guess the bright light to the trade is we could have been the Thunder who could have possibly won 3 or 4 championships by now. Russel Westbrook, James Harden, Kevin Durant and Serge Ibaka. I just can't figure out what is going on with DD. Something is going on in his head. Maybe depression and if so get him some help.
I wish we could/would make some crazy trades before next season even if it means trading LMA and DD and of course Pau Gasol. RC will probably be too damn drunk to come up with anything.
Worst trade of the decade? I'm thinking it may go down as the worst trade the franchise has ever made. And this goes back to the first trade they made after merging into the NBA by trading a #1 draft pick to the Lakers for a old worn out Mack Calvin, which also laid the foundation for us being the Lakers farm team . Then Frank Brickowski to Milwaukee for an old crippled Paul Pressey. Pop's first trade for an old crippled highly paid Charles Smith.
But trading Kawhi AND Danny Green for a guy whose team benched him in the playoffs for choking plus filler and a very low #1 pick?? Just because the coach didn't want to rebuild with youth? We'll never know exactly what we could have got from the Clippers, Sixers or Boston regarding picks and young players, but I would have preferred that trade any day over this Toronto disaster.
Then have moved Danny and Aldredge in separate deals fir picks and/or young players. I wouldn't have minded tanking watching a bunch of young players develop and knowing we had more to come in the next 2 years . But watching this slow death vs what we could have had is hard to stomach.
I don't think it's possible to play worse in the playoffs than he did today. The man shot 5-19 after all
Kawhi screwed us over though. He torpedoed his trade value to the point where the 76ers wouldn't even offer Fultz to us! The only good trade offered was supposedly the Clipper trade but A) nobody actually knows if that was really offered and B) nobody really expected Harris to be this good this year.
Lakers were offering only Ingram and everything you hate about DDR is magnified by 100 with Ingram. For a Duke player he is really dumb. I rather pay DDR $27 million a year than Ingram (and yes I know ppl will say but he's young and has potential) but the difference is that he is like Lonnie now. Too dumb to play and needs years of coaching and development which we can't offer him before his contract year arrives. He needs to be rebuilt completely.
tbh if Kawhi would've actually played when healthy or not said LA or nothing then we would've gotten back a haul for him instead of Demar bleeping DeRozan
I guess you like the Suns then...five years ago, now, and five years from now. But they got young picks, oh yeah...
In modern NBA there is not a single top team who got up there by drafting, except maybe SF and only by sheer luck (Curry #7 only because of his ankle). You need FA and trades. Not even Philly accomplished anything with a gazillion top picks. They had to trade to become relevant, and still may not even get to conference finals.
Should have taken the Anthony Davis + a 1st rounder for Kawhi amirite amirite??
He sucks. Period. Spurs have been completely undressed.
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