they likely would have won the 2017 championship if the Zaza crap didn't happen... we were up 27 in the third quarter. No way we would have lost that game, and we'd just have to have won 2 out of the next 3 to all but wrap up the series. Cleveland was done that year.
Relocation, like I've said all along.
It would be in the franchise's best financial interests. Also, the SA Spurs would be remembered for the Gervin, Robinson and especially Duncan/Big3 legacy, and a swift relocation/transformation into a new franchise in a new city with a new name would preserve that and immortalize it in history instead of the Spurs being remembered for sucking for a generation after Duncan retired and Leonard quit.
Ask Seattle Sonic fans how they feel about preserving their legacies pre-move. They won a le too and had lots of success and made it to an NBA finals not too long before they moved.
The plan for a defensive combination of Murray, White, Green, and Kawhi was a really good one. Once the Kawhi situation happened, the dominoes started to fall. Keeping Green without Kawhi didn't make sense in my opinion, so I don't hold that against anyone. I'm still inclined to give PATFO one more off season to see what they do. So much of this has to do with perception: the Spurs are expected to win 50+ games every year, so it becomes easy to criticize them for having an off year, Post-Kawhi trade. Teams like Brooklyn and Sacramento are being being praised for "good" years, but the Spurs have a better record than both and are being touted as having a "bad" year. I wasn't a fan of the Pau re-signing, but I think way too much is made of the Mills contract-- even if he is overpaid, it's by $3 or 4mil per at the most, which is pretty insignificant with regard to the overall payroll. Ultimately, most of these threads just seem like chronic complaining. I'm just not very surprised that a team that lost Duncan, Manu, Tony, Kawhi, and Danny in a two year period (plus Murray to a season ending injury) is having an off year.
The Sonics won ONE le, but it was in the late 1970s in a mini-era when literally nobody cared about basketball. Their heyday was in the 90s and early 00s, but it largely was a disappointment because they didn't win a single le out of it. Their only other Finals appearance was in the early 90s (lost to Jordan) - long time before they moved. They relocated in 2008. People still remember the Sonics, but they weren't the winningest franchise in basketball - as the Spurs are currently, if they ended the brand say next year.
People also seem to forget that there were rumors before Kawhi indicated he wanted out that the Spurs were working to try and acquire another All-star level player to compliment Kawhi and LMA. I think DDR was a name mentioned as a possibility as was Kemba.
The Kawhi fiasco really torpedoed everything
.. 27 million a season for inconsistent play and deferring to Davis Bertans with the game on the line
Wheel of fortune
I still say he will play better when we have Murray. It's another ball handler who takes some pressure off of DDR to always create and he also won't be asked to guard the best perimeter offensive player.
My my point however is that 27 million gets you a decent player not a franchise altering player. It gets you CJ McCollum type players (which DDR is) or Otto Porter type players (which DeRozan is better than).
Except DeMar is worthless without the ball. And Dijon ain't a ballhandler. And both McCollum and Porter shoot 3s better than DeMar.
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DJs a better ball handler and slasher than Bryn ing Forbes (which by default is who we are comparing him to). He needs to tighten his handle sure but he isn't horrible either.
And Porter is useless with the ball. Has no midrange and doesn't get to the line and doesn't assist the ball either. If you're trying to argue that he's better than Demar (which my point about it was Porter is worse than Demar) than we will have to disagree on that.
McCollum I guess is better but not by much (though like you mentioned he shoots the three more than twice as good as Demar). But he doesn't distribute the ball (averages less than 3 assists per game) and plays as bad if not worse defense than Demar. Honestly both have their faults and flaws which was also my point. 27 million gets you a player with flaws. Not a franchise saving superstar.
I would have to look at the list of players making +/- $27MM, but I would probably take most over DeMar. Yes, for what he brings to the table, I would prefer Porter. I don't want him to shoot midrange shots or make assists, so those stats are pretty irrelevant. McCollum - ditto. We have guys to do those things. We need some shooters (better than Bryn, although since his name hadn't previously been brought up, it is difficult to see that's what the comparison is...) Actually the discussion is about DeMar. Removing the ball from his hands by providing him with another "ballhandler" does not relieve him of pressure; it reduces him to a total non-factor. That's the real point.
I said months ago that an improved DiJon would make DeMar completely expendable. That's my argument. The $27MM can buy 2 good rotation players that fill a need for us that DeMar doesn't fill.
This team with Danny, DJ, and Kawhi -minus DeMar and Jakob is a contender. Our org did the best they could do in a ty situation.
Demar was clearly gassed from carrying so much of a load in the beginning of the year. He was asked to be Kawhi but as a point guard and he folded like a house of cards doing so. With DJ he won't have to carry the load as much. Yes he is useless off the ball but there are schemes for that. Demar has been playing well (offensively) since he came back from the break. Yesterday was exactly what I want from him, he only shot 13 times and had 8 assists and 13 rebounds. If he can play like this more often then we will win.
Porter is a role player man and he makes the same money. And for such a great marksman he doesn't even average 2 makes a game from 3. I mean we can offer $27 million for Danny Green next year if you want, they're basically the same player, with Porter scoring slightly more and Danny the better defender.
btw I mentioned Bryn bc that was our defacto point guard for a good chunk of the season. So there was a lot more responsibility and pressure placed on Demar both offensively and defensively since Bryn is somehow a worse defender than Demar. So having Murray will help alleviate some of that pressure.
. Stephen Curry $37,457,154 $40,231,758 $43,006,362 $45,780,966 $0 $0 2. Russell Westbrook $35,665,000 $38,150,000 $40,600,000 $0 3. Chris Paul $35,654,150 $38,506,482 $41,358,814 $44,211,146 $0 $0 3. LeBron James $35,654,150 $37,436,858 $39,219,566 $41,002,274 $0 $0 5. Blake Griffin $31,873,932 $34,234,964 $36,595,996 $38,957,028 $0 $0 6. Gordon Hayward $31,214,295 $32,700,690 $34,187,085 $0 $0 $0 7. Kyle Lowry $31,000,000 $33,296,296 $0 $0 $0 $0 8. James Harden $30,570,000 $38,150,000 $40,600,000 $0 9. Paul George $30,560,700 $33,005,556 $35,450,412 $37,895,268 $0 $0 10. Mike Conley $30,521,115 $32,511,623 $34,502,130 $0 $0 $0 11. Kevin Durant $30,000,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 12. Paul Millsap $29,230,769 $30,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 13. Al Horford $28,928,710 $30,123,015 $0 $0 $0 $0 14. Damian Lillard $27,977,689 $29,802,321 $31,626,953 $0 $0 $0 15. Carmelo Anthony $27,928,140 $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 16. DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975 $27,739,975 $27,739,975 $0 $0 $0 17. Chris Bosh $26,837,720 $0 $0 $0 $0 $0 18. Jrue Holiday $26,131,111 $26,131,111 $26,131,111 $27,020,000 $0 $0 19. Otto Porter $26,011,913 $27,250,576 $28,489,239 $0 $0 $0 20. CJ McCollum $25,759,766 $27,556,959 $29,354,152 $0 $0 $0 21. Nikola Jokic $25,467,250 $27,504,630 $29,542,010 $31,579,390 $0 $0 21. Joel Embiid $25,467,250 $27,250,000 $29,000,000 $0 21. Andrew Wiggins $25,467,250 $25,467,250 $27,504,630 $29,542,010 $31,579,390 $33,616,770 24. Anthony Davis $25,434,263 $27,093,019 $28,751,775 $0 $0 $0 25. Andre Drummond $25,434,262 $27,093,018 $28,751,774 $0 $0 $0 25. Bradley Beal $25,434,262 $27,093,018 $28,751,774 $0 $0 $0 27. Hassan Whiteside $24,434,262 $27,093,018 $0 $0 $0 $0 28. Dwight Howard $24,256,725 $5,603,850 $0 $0 $0 $0 29. Giannis Antetokounmpo $24,157,304 $25,842,697 $27,528,088 $0 $0 $0 29. Steven Adams
top 30 paid players for reference
Thanks. I would prefer about half of them to DeMar. But I would much prefer to pick two from "Column B" to total $27MM to fill two rotation spots.
I understand that FO wanted to take care of Manu and Parker but Gasol? What has he done for the Spurs?
No they wouldn’t good god, winning game 1 doesn’t mean you were gonna win the series. Spurs trashed okc the year before and got smashed the rest of the way. Warriors were gonna win that series even if spurs took game 1 but spurs would’ve pushed it to 6 games at least.
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It's really been downhill since that summer. The Paddy/Pau summer was a disaster. I don't think they could have tanked per se with Kawhi bc he's a legit star and was at the time looking like he could still get better. Anyways they certainly could have rebuilt the roster around him better. The team probably will still have won a lot of games back then on Kawhi and LMA back but they could have just rebuilt and invested on younger teammates back then.
The worse is really to be stuck in mediocrity at the moment.
difference was, that would have meant stealing HCA. Completely different from the OKC series when winning game 1 just meant halfway to holding serve, which we ultimately didn't. Winning game 1 on the road means you're pretty much assured to win the series if you can just win 2 of the next 3 (two of which at home).
We should have tanked after we won 67 games?
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