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    Have I said a good word about Republicans?
    Did they have a plan?

    Yes or no.

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    You're just pretending it wasn't a piece of .
    My costs more than tripled overnight when obamacare was implemented. You have your head up your ass.
    So you can't answer the question. I also never said it didn't suck you ing moron. I asked why it made sense to make something you think sucks, even worse for Americans? You can't answer that because it would force you to admit to being the ing idiot you are.

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    I’m still confused as to why anyone would think a democrat or republican In our federal government is going to come up with anything worth a regarding insurance. They’ve ALL proven to be a waste of time and helped to increase costs....that’s it....that’s all they’ve done. But keep arguing over which party wants to help more.
    I agree with you - but what is the solution?

    When a Dem says he has a plan for Universal care - what happens?

    The right screams "socialism" "how are you going to pay for it"

    When Trump gifts 2 trillion to the 1% richest -ZERO people on the right asked "how will you pay for it"

    or worse yet -

    they accept the "it will pay for itself" bull .

    So what is the answer - do nothing?

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    There is no solution to how Capitalism is ing America. The oligarchy has too much wealth = political power.

    The rigged, predatory, wealth-sucking status quo is untouchable. Just bend over and pay up.

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    Same talking point over and over.
    Same inability to admit that they don't have a plan over and over.

    Would it be so hard to admit that the Republicans don't really give a about whether non-rich people have health care?

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    I’m still confused as to why anyone would think a democrat or republican In our federal government is going to come up with anything worth a regarding insurance. They’ve ALL proven to be a waste of time and helped to increase costs....that’s it....that’s all they’ve done. But keep arguing over which party wants to help more.
    Every other major indutrialized economy has come up with a national health insurance plan.

    Every.
    Other.
    One.

    This is not hard, but for the fact that Republicans cry wolf over anything that isn't "muh free market" even when the free market doesn't work.

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    You're just pretending it wasn't a piece of .
    My costs more than tripled overnight when obamacare was implemented. You have your head up your ass.
    Boo ing hoo. You probably had a sucker policy that didn't cover most things, and would have bankrupted your ass in a heartbeat for anything halfway major. There is a reason one third of all gofundme campaigns are for health care.

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    it’s difficult, tbh, there’s no sensible approach to healthcare reform that improves the current or previous systems that wouldn’t cap costs, include tax hikes, or significant govt subsidies. None of that really goes with the conservative agenda.

    It’s really not laughing matter either.

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    Every other major indutrialized economy has come up with a national health insurance plan.

    Every.
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    This is not hard, but for the fact that Republicans cry wolf over anything that isn't "muh free market" even when the free market doesn't work.
    I totally agree....but from what I’ve seen, neither party has our best interest in mind....never have, never will....so nothing changes. I realize how cynical and awful and short sighted that sounds, but it’s just kinda where I’m at with my opinion of our government.

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    I agree with you - but what is the solution?

    When a Dem says he has a plan for Universal care - what happens?

    The right screams "socialism" "how are you going to pay for it"

    When Trump gifts 2 trillion to the 1% richest -ZERO people on the right asked "how will you pay for it"

    or worse yet -

    they accept the "it will pay for itself" bull .

    So what is the answer - do nothing?
    No, you’re correct in my opinion. The answer should definitely not be “do nothing”. I just don’t think it matters anymore because neither party really cares. I’ve just been beaten down by political talk to the point I don’t think it’s ever going to be resolved.

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    There is no solution to how Capitalism is ing America. The oligarchy has too much wealth = political power.

    The rigged, predatory, wealth-sucking status quo is untouchable. Just bend over and pay up.
    This is the most correct thing Boutons has ever posted. Actually, I probably agree with him more than I’d care to admit.

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    No, you’re correct in my opinion. The answer should definitely not be “do nothing”. I just don’t think it matters anymore because neither party really cares. I’ve just been beaten down by political talk to the point I don’t think it’s ever going to be resolved.
    Well - if Dems could muster up some balls and respond when they get attacked and are called socialists -

    they should respond with

    "the republican party believes that only the elites deserve health care and they do not care if poor people die"

    this should even the playing field.
    But they are too nice.

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    Boo ing hoo. You probably had a sucker policy that didn't cover most things, and would have bankrupted your ass in a heartbeat for anything halfway major. There is a reason one third of all gofundme campaigns are for health care.
    I had a policy through work. A good one. And it also tripled overnight.

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    I had a policy through work. A good one. And it also tripled overnight.
    My healthcare is still covered 100% through my work and they said nothing will change. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this bull .

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    Of course they have one. Don't get sick.

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    My healthcare is still covered 100% through my work and they said nothing will change. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this bull .
    I ended up going to work for a large company which helped a fair bit.

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    Report: Sean Hannity worked with Trump and Republicans on health care policy

    This latest example of a Fox host advising the president further

    proves there is little separation between Fox News and the Trump administration

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/04/04/report-sean-hannity-worked-trump-and-republicans-health-care-policy/223339?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29

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    it’s difficult, tbh, there’s no sensible approach to healthcare reform that improves the current or previous systems that wouldn’t cap costs, include tax hikes, or significant govt subsidies. None of that really goes with the conservative agenda.

    It’s really not laughing matter either.
    so play the first video on mute while having the second video on in the background just for audio. for best effect start the first video at 0:25





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    So you can't answer the question.
    Stopped reading here.
    Sorry you can't grasp a simple reality.
    What part of my costs more than triple don't you understand?

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    Same inability to admit that they don't have a plan over and over.
    Yea, people would stop getting healthcare if Obamacare was shot down.

    It's a talking point, bruh.

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    Stopped reading here.
    Sorry you can't grasp a simple reality.
    What part of my costs more than triple don't you understand?
    Are you incapable of comprehending what I said, or are you intentionally ignoring the real point? Again, for the sake of argument I will agree and say the ACA was complete and utter horse . I ing hate it and it was implemented by the Dark Devil. Now how does making it worse help Americans you ing re ?

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    Are you incapable of comprehending what I said, or are you intentionally ignoring the real point? Again, for the sake of argument I will agree and say the ACA was complete and utter horse . I ing hate it and it was implemented by the Dark Devil. Now how does making it worse help Americans you ing re ?
    It can't get worse on a large scale in terms of overall cost. It's a piece of . Scams don't get better.

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    It can't get worse on a large scale in terms of overall cost. It's a piece of . Scams don't get better.
    Not putting Spurtacular on the spot, but this is in a nuts the cookie-cut conservative answer, tbh. Obamacare so bad = anything else better. The problem with this answer is:

    1) It glosses over the McCain vote derailed repeal only. After 8 years and finding themselves with full control of Congress and the Executive, there was still no replace plan, despite the yearly calls for repeal and replace.

    2) While Obamacare clearly did not address cost, it’s undeniably popular because addressed better access. Anything that replaces it and can be considered ‘better’ would need to keep as much access (ie: pre existing conditions, affordability for lower income persons, etc) which is problematic because it needs govt intervention one way or another.

    3) Paul Ryan as VP candidate put together probably the closest thing to a formal conservative plan for replacement, which included turning Medicare into a voucher program, reliance on HSAs, and basically did not address cost or access. People voted for Obama (and Obamacare) by a fairly wide margin.

    4) It never helps either that the biggest argument against Obamacare was that it’s a job killer, yet the country employment level has been excellent by any measurable standard.

    The last time there was a significant conservative addition to healthcare was Medicare part D. Was completely unfunded, and earned Dubya the RINO moniker from his peers (despite it wasn’t decried as socialism).

    I don’t think Congress is gonna get it done, IMO. It might just take Trump and an executive order.

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    Congress has become totally dysfunctional. They won't get anything done on healthcare OR immigration.

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    ” I don’t repeat myself”
    ” I don’t repeat myself “

    He never ceases to amaze and stupefy.

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