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, Boutons nailed it for once.
"But Clinton".
The Repubs think Clinton was piece of . So when their own people are in question, they refuse to address that issue directly, but compare every issue to the of Clinton.
"Compared to Clinton, we smell better", which means their basis of comparison, of evaluation of their own situation is lowered to the level of .
, Boutons nailed it for once.
I concur. Well said.
I don't believe a forum conservative brought up Clinton in this thread. It was Extra Stout who actually mentioned that name.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Extra Stout qualifies as a "forum conservative." I guess it's hard to confuse because he isn't a wacko like our more evident forum conservatives and liberals.
Boutons, exactly,
They're talking smack because so far their was only one indictment. Wow, only one indictment . Like that's not bad. And like Libby didn't have much to do with evil Cheney. yea sure.
In the context of what he said, I don't believe he was using Clinton as the typical "crutch" conservative argument.
If perjury and obstruction of justice in a case concerning a blowjob are impeachable offenses, then perjury and obstruction of justice concerning espionage certainly are serious crimes.
I get the feeling the next few weeks my fellow conservatives are going to be parroting a lot of really dumb talking points.
The case against Libby is very strong.
What goes around....
I'd be very surprised if anyone in the Bush administration attempts to assassinate Fitzgerald's character.
From all appearances, Libby screwed up.
Excuse me? That's what this administration has done at every turn: virulently attack those who disagree or get in their way. That's pretty much what got them into this mess, but I don't think they've learned a damn thing.
Stated more simplistically, it's like hanging around girls uglier and fatter than you because it makes you look better.
I'm pretty sure this is going to continue going up the food chain, Libby didn't do this without the concent of his boss, and all of you conservatives, deep down, and though you really don't want to admit it, know that there was someone higher up colaborating with him.
The fact that you want to down play what amounts to even stronger evidence that Bush doctered the case for war than the downing street memo, because it shows to what lenght the administartion went to in order to stretch their version of the truth
The leak was not a crime. It doesnt matter now who leaked it according to the investigation. Get it through your ing heads.
Quit listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. We simply don't know if leaking the information to reporters was a crime because that has yet to be determined by Fitzgerald. The report did state that Plame was a active covert agent when Robert Novak wrote his article exposing her. Novak is not authorized to have that kind of information.
well, why is the White House lying about the leak? What are they trying to hide?
Rumor around Washington is that there is no doubt Bush and Cheney were in charge of this smear campaign and as is the method those in power will attempt to divert attention from their problems in any way possible.
This just reeks of a conspiracy theory.
^^^ yup
Nail, head, bang. Why not come out and say "Yeah, we had some discussions about who was this asshat who wrote that op-ed piece. What of it?"
The Republican's first instinct is to lie and coverup. Their second instinct is to do it badly, leaving tape recorders running, or notes of that Cheney meeting laying around.
^^^ exactly, let's see how they spin that, believe me, they will.
A lot of Repubs see the Fitzgerald Party as being very distracting from here on (much like they did to Clinton for trivial reasons), and are very pissed that the WH did not fix this problem a long time ago, get the guilty ones to fall on a sword, and get it over with.
dubya's second term is already lame duck with 39 months to go, and dubya lamed it himself.
If dubya puts up a Bork/Scalia/Thomas type of retrogressive, 8000-words-and-done Cons utional primitivist, I'm sure the Dems feel emboldened to leave nobody standing on the field of battle.
dubya has already murdered the idea of "Senate deference to the WH choice" which used to be a conservative principle until the choice was Miers.
I hate that miers didnt end up in the court, it came out that she was pro-choice the day she took her name out.
I dont know NBaDan, maybe because the investigation has lasted 2 yrs and the prosecutor hasnt charged anyone. Anyway you seemed to be postin 10000 post on what you thought the outcome was gonna be and you assured us that 5 people would be convicted. But now you finally say we dont know anything... How convenient.
Quit listening to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. We simply don't know if leaking the information to reporters was a crime because that has yet to be determined by Fitzgerald. The report did state that Plame was a active covert agent when Robert Novak wrote his article exposing her. Novak is not authorized to have that kind of information.
The media conducted its own investigation on behalf of J miller and said it themselves that no crime was commited. Then the media turned around and stated that The white house did commit a crime in outing V Plame. The media then had a witch hunt over the whole matter probably causing the admin to watch what they would say.
The report did state that plame was only active in the CIA, but that the statue law did not show any crime was commited. Fitzgerald has had 2 yrs to find what crime was commited. We only got perjury.
Watergate started with one indictment. Unfortunately, in government this is the way things sometimes go. From what I have read, Fitzgerald has the goods on Libby that could put him away for up to 30 years. Will a deal induce Libby to talk? Then we also have this matter with the forgered Niger do ents. Fitzgerald is hot the the trail of the forgerers and if what I have read is true, Republicans aren't gonna like where this is gonna go.I dont know NBaDan, maybe because the investigation has lasted 2 yrs and the prosecutor hasnt charged anyone. Anyway you seemed to be postin 10000 post on what you thought the outcome was gonna be and you assured us that 5 people would be convicted. But now you finally say we dont know anything... How convenient.
It's gonna be hard for Libby's lawyers to claim that he simply forgot...
^^^ again,
it's plain and simple. If they're so innocent...
Why are they lying? What do they have to hide?
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