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    As tired as I have grown of Mills, to say Parker has been better than Mills, this season, is just not true.
    Yes it is. Parker had arguably his best season since 2014. Mills is on the steady decline ... and he was never really in Parker's league to begin with. Only fans who never liked Parker to begin with would argue otherwise, tbh.

    Mills is as bad as it gets, but it's an unfair comparison..

    One guy was playing 20 MPG in the playoffs(and in clutch time) and an essential piece for a West 7 seed that took the 2 seed to 7 games, while the other got benched by an East lottery team..
    essential piece

    When Parker played, the Hornets won at a clip that would have put them in the running for homecourt advantage in the East. Hornets tried to tank, then Blake Griffin hurt his knee and they almost accidentally made the playoffs. Besides, not all bench guards get to play behind multiple Hall of Famers their entire career, tbh.

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    Hire him to the coaching staff, tbh

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    Some people need to let go, tbh... especially Poop

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    Regardless, does Tony have a team option or player option for his second year at the Hornets?

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    Russ<3 fan calling out Parker for running a franchise player out

    Then the Bertans fan tags in to point out how bad Tony was because he got benched at the end of the season

    You gotta love the irony. Anyways, enough entertaining schticks... Parker scored 20 off the bench this year against Denver. He would've easily had his way against a crap interior defense like that and wouldn't had shot 30% from the floor like the wombat did. HOTS wins games. Spurs had an insanely better record last season when starting as opposed to Murray starting. The Hornets also had a superior record when he played vs when he DNP-d. Carlos Arroyo with a bald spot player fans can't spin that . Period.

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    Bring back Tony and make him and Patty retire after the season so they can have the jeresey retired at the same time.

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    Regardless, does Tony have a team option or player option for his second year at the Hornets?
    team option for the 2nd year of the contract.

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    Yes it is. Parker had arguably his best season since 2014. Mills is on the steady decline ... and he was never really in Parker's league to begin with. Only fans who never liked Parker to begin with would argue otherwise, tbh.
    Mills: 9.9 ppg, 3 apg, TS% .572, OBPM: 1.5, DBPM: -2.0, VORP: 0.7, on/off: +5.6

    Parker: 9.5 ppg, 3.7 apg, TS% .512, OBPM: -1.5, DBPM: -3.7, VORP: -0.8, on/off: +0.5

    Like I said: not a single objective thing to suggest Tony was better than Patty this season. Only fans whose judgement is being clouded by emotions would argue otherwise, tbh.

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    Let's sign a guy that couldn't even get minutes on a Eastern Conference lottery team. Why are Spurs fans so obsessed with collecting other team's garbage?

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    The Spurs have a logjam of guards and have to figure out how to use White, Murray, and Walker, who are all young and inexpensive options. How would Parker help? I'd rather see all three get minutes/experience next year. Parker wouldn't move the needle at all.

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    Only fans whose judgement is being clouded by emotions would argue otherwise, tbh.
    The audacity of Bertans' biggest fluffer to type this with a straight face

    Bertans in 2018 playoffs:
    3.4ppg, 2.2rpg, TS% .372, OBPM: -4.2, DBPM: 1.7, VORP: 0.0

    Bertans in 2019 playoffs:
    3.2ppg, 1.6rpg, TS% .465, OBPM: -3.4, DBPM: 0.6, VORP: 0.0

    Facts don't care about your feelings bruh

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    The audacity of Bertans' biggest fluffer to type this with a straight face

    Bertans in 2018 playoffs:
    3.4ppg, 2.2rpg, TS% .372, OBPM: -4.2, DBPM: 1.7, VORP: 0.0

    Bertans in 2019 playoffs:
    3.2ppg, 1.6rpg, TS% .465, OBPM: -3.4, DBPM: 0.6, VORP: 0.0

    Facts don't care about your feelings bruh
    I never said Bertans played well on these playoffs, tbh.

    BTW, intelligent of you to leave on/off stats out, tbh.

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    Would love to see Mills go. I hope they have the opportunity and sense to do it. But for Parker? That would just seem weird now.

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    Bring back Tony tbh.. 10 mn off the bench, mentor the kids, retire.. everybody happy

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    team option for the 2nd year of the contract.
    Thanks!!

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    really? pg-sg is literally the only place we have decent players on the roster (White, Murray, Walker)

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    Mills: 9.9 ppg, 3 apg, TS% .572, OBPM: 1.5, DBPM: -2.0, VORP: 0.7, on/off: +5.6

    Parker: 9.5 ppg, 3.7 apg, TS% .512, OBPM: -1.5, DBPM: -3.7, VORP: -0.8, on/off: +0.5
    Conveniently leaving off minutes per game because Mills played 30% more minutes

    Parker's per 100 possessions stats (25.7 points and 10.0 assists) blow Patty's per 100 possessions stats (20.8 points and 6.3 assists) out of the water.

    OBPM, DBPM and VORP are all useless counting stats (based off the same formula) that penalize Parker for having low blocks and steals rates. PER isn't even that good but it's better. Speaking of which, Parker's PER (15.3) was higher than Patty's (13.2).

    And can't compare on/off between teams fairly. The Hornets were as good with Parker on the court as they were with Kemba on the court.

    Mills' biggest weakness is his defense. Parker, meanwhile, was the Hornets best defender according to plus/minus stats.

    Parker at his very worst was still way better than the level Mills played in the playoffs. Come on now.

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    Guys, guys....they both suck.

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    Russ<3 fan calling out Parker for running a franchise player out

    Then the Bertans fan tags in to point out how bad Tony was because he got benched at the end of the season

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    Conveniently leaving off minutes per game because Mills played 30% more minutes

    Parker's per 100 possessions stats (25.7 points and 10.0 assists) blow Patty's per 100 possessions stats (20.8 points and 6.3 assists) out of the water.

    OBPM, DBPM and VORP are all useless counting stats (based off the same formula) that penalize Parker for having low blocks and steals rates. PER isn't even that good but it's better. Speaking of which, Parker's PER (15.3) was higher than Patty's (13.2).

    And can't compare on/off between teams fairly. The Hornets were as good with Parker on the court as they were with Kemba on the court.

    Mills' biggest weakness is his defense. Parker, meanwhile, was the Hornets best defender according to plus/minus stats.

    Parker at his very worst was still way better than the level Mills played in the playoffs. Come on now.
    Dude, Parker got wiped out of the rotation of a lottery team in the East. How good could have he really been?

    Arguing PER is better than BPM and VORP.

    PER rewards high rate chuckers. The more you chuck the better your PER will tend to be. It's basically a box-score summary adjusted to minutes played without punishing misses enough (not to mention that it doesn't even consider defense at all). BPM and VORP have it's flaws but at least take more things into consideration.

    No, Parker wasn't better than Mills this season. Not even playoffs' version Mills, because Mills at least got to play them. Tony wouldn't have even if his team made it that far.

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    Parker would be like White, with lesser shooting. Same amount of weakness and injury. I do think Parker and derozan might have bonded better than patty, but that's not really worth it
    TP would never go 0-7 in a Game 7, tbh.

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    Dude, Parker got wiped out of the rotation of a lottery team in the East. How good could have he really been?
    Good enough for the Hornets to be 30-26 when Parker played and 9-17 when Parker didn't play.

    BPM and VORP have it's flaws but at least take more things into consideration.
    No it doesn't. PER uses more statistics in its calculation.

    BPM (box plus/minus) is basically attempting to estimate plus/minus using box stats. That might have been useful ten years ago when actual plus/minus numbers weren't widely available. PER at least attempts to put a value on a player rather than estimate something that is now available.

    No, Parker wasn't better than Mills this season. Not even playoffs' version Mills, because Mills at least got to play them. Tony wouldn't have even if his team made it that far.
    Wow. I've seen some mental gymnastics in my days on SpursTalk but that there might be worthy of a gold medal.

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    Spurs need someone that can lead on the court. IDK if that's Parker but it's sure not Aldridge or Demar.

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    It's pretty amazing that Parker is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mills. @ anyone who thought that was ever an argument.

    Parker actually had a really good season, tbh.
    ESPN Real Plus Minus Wins PGS

    30) Landry Shamat
    31) Patty Mills
    32) Ryan Archidiacono

    59) Matthew Dellanova
    60) Tony Parker, 71st on defense
    61) Raymond Felton

    That fits the eye test.

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    no!

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