Reply With QuoteAmen. Can't we judge someone by their talent and not the color of their skin?
I think that people are getting confused by terminology here.
When GW says that someone doesn't like young, black players AKA ballas. That has nothing to do with their skin-color. He is referring to players that are "street" -- incredible athletes, who lack fundamentals and disclipline, but possess toughness, enthusiam and at ude.
It's not a race thing -- there are caucasian ballas.
Get off the race issue -- all of you!
Amen. Can't we judge someone by their talent and not the color of their skin?
I understand what you're saying, Kori...but he didn't say "balla" or "street". He said "young and black". That's completely different.
Nevertheless...consider it dropped on my part...
I think Spursman may have been referring to the 2-3 times during the playoffs (that I saw at least) that Stephen got pulled early and appeared to go mope in the corner away from the coaches and most of his teammates. That rubbed me the wrong way too, but as a general rule I wouldn't describe Stephen as having a bad at ude.
Sequ is right. I meant "ballas" by "young and black".
Actually, I bet Spursman would have no problem rooting for Jason Williams or Brad Miller — white ballas.
travis, wouldn't a rascist hate all blacks, you stupid sunuvab1tch?
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Count me in as another person sick of GW's racist routine.
You can defend him all you want, but when I suggested that we put Steve Kerr in at the end of games when we are up and about to be intentionally fouled, GW responds with "Have you ever met a black person before?" Or something similarly insulting. Ghost's passive agressive racism is nearing its end of the tolerance. Ghost, you are one of my favorite posters- but why not drop this bull . Being called a racist is extremely insulting, and I'm now realizing how I was in the wrong by doing the same to someone like T Park. If any of us here were really racists, we probably wouldn't be basketball fans, given that the majority of the league is made up of African Americans.
There you go again. You defend your earlier racist accusations by saying that you just meant "balla" in place of "young and black." Then you call Spursman a flat out racist by insinuating that he wouldn't have a problem with Jackson if he weren't black.Sequ is right. I meant "ballas" by "young and black".
Actually, I bet Spursman would have no problem rooting for Jason Williams or Brad Miller — white ballas.
Its funny how this forum is fully of racists, according to you, yet you are the only one who ever brings up race.
scott, I find it funny that whenever the Ballas Bias is being discussed, you're never far behind.
Way to deflect the criticism off of your baseless accusations.
You throw around the term "rascist" while I make observations about who certain fans root for.
Don't feel bad, scott. I'm sure you liked David Robinson!
Good job Ghost, keep proving the point Travis and I are trying to make.
Ghengis is is th exact thing I was thinking Spurster ment.
Im a huge jack fan, but his getting pulled after playing bad in a game and moping and acting stupid were annoying.
Oh well, he chose to be stupid and not come back. His loss.
Jackson will be back out of the league in 2 years.
The point I am trying to make is simple, scott, and was made about half a dozen posts ago:
Some Spurs fans have a Balla Bias.
I think you qualify.
This homer owns a custom-made Stephen Jackson jersey and claimed that #3 was his favorite Spurs player."Jackson will be back out of the league in 2 years." — T Park Num 9
I wish we could trade your fickle @ss, T Ard Num Nutz.
Tony Parker moped on the bench too when pulled for Speedy, but I guess since he's not on his way out the door, we don't bring it up or criticize it..
If Jack does leave, I certainly hope he keeps his head straight and flourishes. Those who want to see him out of the league in 2 years are ridiculous -- he's a good guy.
On the racism subject, please end it. This is my second request. The third one will not be as cordial. Thank you.
Jack is interesting because his game isn't polished (by conventional or 'balla' standards). His handles are unnerving. He still would occassionally drive and get caught with nowhere to go. Some of this came with him being young and have never really played in a situation in which he could work on the basics. Most young 'ballas' (note to board: I prefer the boring term "players") or whatever can't shoot, but they have great handles. Jack is the opposite.
As for his at ude, most things that I've heard about him have been positive. Last summer he worked on his game and played in the summerleagues again. He worked hard and the Spurs like that a lot. Eventually he was rewarded with a starting spot last season. There was a mention once about him getting pissed in a game or something in his first year with the Spurs. That might be what has been referred to in this thread. I forget the whole story, but Jack's at ude since then was great. Let's not forget that Jack was treated like crap by the great coach Byron Scott. Scott thought that Jack couldn't play D. Now flash forward to the Spurs and we see a 6'8" athletic swingman who fit right in the Spurs' defensive system. You know Pop won't accept players who won't play D. Jack worked on that too.
The thing that was most amazing about him is that with a game on the line, he would come through. He did that versus the Suns in game 6 to close them out, Dallas in game 6 to close them out, and in the Finals in the 4th quarter. It's like whenever there was a moment to hit some big shots he was there. Now Kerr got more publicity for his game 6 performance @ Dallas, but Jack was key in the Spurs' rally in that game and he had a great game overall (something like 24 points, good shooting %, etc...)
This quality is an asset. That's why primarily I am still hopeful that he can make his way back.
I obviously qualify, since I think Manu is better than Jackson (which the Spurs front office obviously agrees with, as does the rest of the league as they are obtaining to aquire Manu via a trade but aren't willing to offer the FA Jackson a contract). Coupled with the fact that I want our best FT shooter, who happens to be white, on the floor to shoot intentional FTs at the end of a game- it is certainly clear that I am have the Balla Bias- which to you is just another euphamism for Racist.
Way to piece that case together, Inspector Clueso.
Apologies for the topic, Kori. But when being baselessly called a racist on numerous occassions, and then seeing others getting the same treatment, I'm going to speak up. But per your request, I'll cease.
Kori, scott is not listening to you and his stupidity is making me want to continue the discussion about the Balla Bias.
MB, I would want Jackson back, but the perimeter is way too crowded now. I wish Bowen was leaving and Jackson was staying.
We need Jack's fearlessness and clutch shooting ability. Kid had heart.
Alright bozos I never said I WANTED him out of the league.
WIthout pop coaching him and controlling him, hes gonna go back to his old ways of being out of controll, not playing hard ass D. Im afriad hes gonna revert to what he was in New Jersey and thats a player thats gonna be cut.
I love jack, I think he was an awesome play, I loved his care free at ude, I loved his energy during warm ups.
I didnt like how he would ignore coach brown or shove other players away when he got benched for playing bad.
Ill be one of the FIRST people to shed a tear when he leaves.
But hearing the things going on with his agent?
Im afraid I cant feel totally bad. Hes let his agent run him out of town, and Im suprised Jack, who supposedly wanted to stay, let his agent do everything to the point of him KNOWING that what his agent was doing was running him out of town.
Dont paint me as a jack hater.
Okay. So Jack's intensity is alright when he's chest-bumping or pumping his fist after a big shot, but if he reacts negatively to a bad call or acts upset for being taken out, that is bad.
Incredible.
I'd take Jack back if he and the Spurs can come to terms. Mercer could be kicked to IR in that situation for all I care. He's not here primarily for his game.
IMO, Spurs would be best off just releasing Mercer outright in that case. Mercer does have a reported history of being a locker room cancer, and his recent happy-go-lucky tune could change when he realizes he's here to be the 12th man/token IR guy. A negative at ude on the end of the bench could have a detrimental effect on our ability to repeat. If Manu was our primary PG backup, and Hedo saw some time at the 4, I think Jackson could be back without a significant reduction in minutes, although his crunch time minutes would probably be reduced.
1: Parker 35, Manu 13
2: Manu 22, Jackson 26
3: Bowen: 22, Hedo 26
4: Duncan 30, Rose 12, Hedo 6
5: Rasho 30, Duncan 6, Rose 12
Crunch Time Lineup:
1. Parker
2. Manu
3. Hedo/Jackson (?) - I'd imagine Hedo would become an important part of our offense, even if not starting. For that reason I'd think he'd get the crunch minutes.
4. Duncan
5. Rasho
When Jack came to the bench pissed I didn't take it that he was pissed because he was taken out but that he was playing bad or thought the refs were screwing him. He'd go sit by himself on the baseline and somebody would get him and bring him to the bench. The way I see it they knew if he sat there he'd focus on the negative, get more frustrated and they wanted him on the bench to clear his head and have a positive at ude when he got back in the game. Kerr or Ferry or coach Brown use to talk to him then.
I'm still hoping Jack is back. I hope that the Spurs just did what they had to do to not let Fegan bascially hold them when for ransom with Jack when it was too late to make other moves to bring in a decent swingman. I'm hoping that when push comes to shove Jack will say this is the place and situtation for me and in the long run will be the most profitbale because this is where my game will develop best. Until he signs somewhere else ai'll keep hoping. If not I'll root for him wherever he is.
The whole point of us wanting to keep Jackson is for those crunch time minutes, scott a.k.a. "No One Called Me a Rascist".
That is for you to discuss with Greggy Pop, not me.
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