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    Derrick White is the best defender and PG on the team.

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    Spurs need to tinker and no need for mass changes. Two of Bertans/Forbes/Mills/Beli should be traded for better fits.
    that's exactly where i stand man. and if they aren't moved then they need to be third stringers. I prefer upgrades. don't get me wrong. i just feel the bulk is fine.

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    none of those points will make demar shoot 3s. our spacing is dog . Murray can’t shoot either but he’s way younger and can defend
    well apparently the plan is to have DeMar and LMA to shoot a lot more threes.. i want to see how that goes tbh.. if that works than the spacing will be fine. I'm not banking on it for the playoffs but for the season it could work. For the playoffs, LMA and DeMar ain't gonna lead us to a ship anyway so I'd actually be following Murray, White, and Walker's development. If you have to bench DeMar than you can just let him walk next offseason and have some cap.

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    Derrick White is the best defender and PG on the team.
    I'm not doing this again with you bruh LUL.. we'll just agree to disagree.

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    Things have changed too much for SA to stay the course. Kawhi won a le, things are now super weird with DeRozan and SA has to choose a direction.

    They made a “win now” move for DeRozan and they can’t go back on that now; either make moves to contend with GS out of the way or go the opposite direction and make moves to set your future up better.

    Too much has transpired and the current environment is not conducive to standing still.
    I feel this is prisoner of the moment talk. I'd love to be wrong... but I don't think PATFO really care as much as we do, especially Pop for that matter with all the Life is more important than basketball takes. They'll probably run it back for one more year and see what they got. DeMar isn't on Stephen Jackson terms or anything. You don't just trade him to trade him... and as bad as it sounds you don't even get his value back in a trade, which just makes the trade more worse. So you just keep the band going in a low risk high reward scenario in my estimation.

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    demar can improve... but will never be good enough to be the #1 option on a contender. la could be a #2 and demar could, at best, also be a #2. you can’t contend with two #2s.

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    demar should be making patty mills money / be a sixth man.

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    I'm not doing this again with you bruh LUL.. we'll just agree to disagree.
    Murray is CLEARLY better.

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    Yep I see some trades being made. I can't see us standing still. I don't think DDR and LMA are going anywhere and I expect Gay back.

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    Murray is CLEARLY better.
    I'm willing to concede White is a better PG but Murray is definitely a better defender.

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    It's interesting that some in the SA media are predicting that the Spurs will attempt to move up in the draft by possibly trading one of their many guards, perhaps Forbes, as one of their focal points to use to move up, to the 15th or 16th spot. They think that perhaps there's someone that they are targeting that may not be available by 19. Also, Bertans may also be another player who could be used to trade up, perhaps it could be a package deal(?). At least there are ideas, and possibly talks, that the Spurs, in this aspect, could be making a change try to improve the roster. Now, there may be opposition by fans to moving one or both of these players, but this could be a key move to make a splash in the draft and persue a potential draft target that will help this team, now and in the future. Wonder if they are willing to throw in the 29th pick as well. I hope not, but we'll see what will happen on Thursday night. The Spurs have in the past, been in discussions and in the rumor mill about possible trade deals to move up, but in recent history, it's happened at least once in 2011, but we'll see if the Spurs will make a bold move or just simply stand pat. I'm in for the Spurs to making that bold move to move up, if it's going to be this plan. I'm sure this means that the team still wants to compete in the "now mode," for a championship. Well, we'll see... GSG!!!

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    They better make a move on draft night to open up some cap space so we can add Bogdanovic

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    How about improving the damn team instead of staying the course?
    this

    Is really strange to want to just staying the course (the development of young people will happen regardless of anything), we had a lot of dead weight on this roster (Mills, Bellinelli, Quincy, Dante) for a team that is already overtaken in talent and athleticism by 2/3 of the league.
    if there is a way to get Bogdanovic and keep Demar without handing over the pick 19, Walker, White and Murray, I hope PATFO will really do this business. If there is the possibility of a trade for Demar by cap space and a potential young player or a pick, so be it.

    Not moving definitely is not an option.

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    Hope spurs ownership and pop the president are thinkng with the demise of the warriors for atleast one season that its an opportunity to improve and be a contender .

    The kwitter saga should be added motivation to make things happen.

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    We need someone who can guard LeBron. AD is a bit overrated and LA and Peotle can hold him down a tiny bit. We dont have anyone thay can guard LeBron thats who u have to match up with this year along with finding an answer for Jokitz in Denver. IF we are trying to get to the finals. If Kawhi joins the Lakers we need to trade DeMar and Aldridge to rebuild.

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    They better make a move on draft night to open up some cap space so we can add Bogdanovic
    Yeah I'm all for the Spurs moving Bertans, Mills, and Belinelli... just don't think it happens or it costs us a first. I don't think they have much value around the league unfortunately. Would love to have Bogdanovic. I don't think it's worth it to move piece(s) with our history of finding players in the late first.

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    I'm not doing this again with you bruh LUL.. we'll just agree to disagree.
    That's fine, we don't have to argue about it. I was just making a factual statement.

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    I don't see any point in tanking anymore after seeing how the new lottery rules work. If the Spur suck they will end up in the lottery and we'll just go from there.
    Yup. Three teams that tanked HARD got pushed out of the top 4 picks.

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    C'mon man. Staying the course went out the door when Duncan did.

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    Staying the course will not be good enough to make the playoffs. spurs are on a sinking ship.

    Who isn't? Houston is a show, OKC is a ticking time bomb, the Warriors have been stricken down to reality. The Lakers are throwing it all in for one year, Portland has promise now that the Warriors are gone. Utah maybe? The whole West is a mess

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    I feel this is prisoner of the moment talk. I'd love to be wrong... but I don't think PATFO really care as much as we do, especially Pop for that matter with all the Life is more important than basketball takes. They'll probably run it back for one more year and see what they got. DeMar isn't on Stephen Jackson terms or anything. You don't just trade him to trade him... and as bad as it sounds you don't even get his value back in a trade, which just makes the trade more worse. So you just keep the band going in a low risk high reward scenario in my estimation.
    Perhaps, but the league is like that. There is no doubt that seeing the Warriors crumble legit changes the variables.

    I believed from the beginning that you don’t make a DeRozan for Kawhi trade unless you are willing to win now. If that is true, and winning now becomes easier with GS out, then why would you not do so?

    Or, take advantage of the fact that so many teams ARE trying to win now and get max value (like LA got for AD) for a player like DeRozan or LMA.

    Not saying DeRozan = AD, but the point is winning now means you can probably get more for a good player than you normally would.

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    Perhaps, but the league is like that. There is no doubt that seeing the Warriors crumble legit changes the variables.

    I believed from the beginning that you don’t make a DeRozan for Kawhi trade unless you are willing to win now. If that is true, and winning now becomes easier with GS out, then why would you not do so?

    Or, take advantage of the fact that so many teams ARE trying to win now and get max value (like LA got for AD) for a player like DeRozan or LMA.

    Not saying DeRozan = AD, but the point is winning now means you can probably get more for a good player than you normally would.
    Deeps, you're still making the same mistake from last year thinking that "winning now" to Pop/RC = championship contention and not making the playoffs tbh.

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    Sadly we all know Pop will blame the down year on injuries and new players and will likely run it back next year with mostly the same roster. Spurs may get a decent player with the MLE but that's it. Considering the state of the west at the current moment we may actually have a chance to reach the WCF next year if the younger Spurs take a step forward, DJ comes back healthy with no setbacks, and LA has not severely regressed.

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    Also DW looked better in his first real season than Leonard did in his rookie year imo. Obv he is older but you never know. Dude could take a major leap and be our next star. No one saw it coming with nephew. DW seems like he has the same type of work ethic.

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    I hope "Staying the course" doesn't include extending DD to some outrageous contract. popatfo got bent over, one of the worst trades ever...you don't just get back a late first rounder when you trade the best player in the game..and you sure as don't include $5 mil...they should have fleeced the lakers or clippers for something like the pels just got for AD.. If he is going to wind up in LA or wherever he wanted to , they should have traded him to the team of his choice and get the best package possible, not try to him over and send him out of the conference and out of the country, they lost all leverage at that point...and not only that he is laughing at them...literally. cuckovich should have bailed when TD, Manu and tp left like he said he would...I guess it's the only way for him to stay relevant so he can have a "platform" against Trump.

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