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I look at Carroll, Lyles, Belli, and patty as pieces that can be packaged in some form to acquire more of an impact player after their contracts become trade eligible.
I dunno man,the way you've been ting on PATFO on your posts lately,i figured they must be as bad as the Lakers,the Magic,the Knicks etc...
You know damn well i'll critisize them for every wrong move they do as well,but i want them to turn things around.I have faith that they are gonna turn things around.
As for the issue at hand,i honestly believe Carroll will find playing time during the season and that he's not a corpse like Cunningham and Pondexter.
I look at Carroll, Lyles, Belli, and patty as pieces that can be packaged in some form to acquire more of an impact player after their contracts become trade eligible.
Carroll looked really bad in pre season.at age 33
Lyle's is 23 and 23 minutes/game 9 rebounds a game.
Patty ain’t getting traded.
Spurs fans whine when Pop plays veterans.
Spurs fans whine when Pop doesn't play veterans.
You would think Pop going with a player in Lyles who is exactly the same age as Murray in the starting lineup would hurt the "Pop believes in military-style pecking order and only plays old guys who have gotten over themselves" narrative but somehow it's ignored.
Weird, tbh.
Long season. Gay isn't going to play 82 games. Carroll's time will come. Could be starting by the end of the season.
The "he was terrible in preseason" narrative is pretty strange, too. He wasn't great but he had his moments. Played exactly how one would expect DeMarre Carroll to play.
Where did you get 13 Million? He's getting 7M this season, and has 15M guaranteed over three years.
But of the 7M he's getting paid, only 3M is for sitting on the bench. The other 4M is for his fashion sense.
I don’t know about that tbh...the most consistent complaints about Pop is that he plays Beli/Mills over higher upside guys like White/Lonnie. You see other things sprinkled in, but rarely do people complain about vets minutes.
The context of this isn’t about the minutes; it’s about wasted money in FA with a low ceiling player that probably shouldn’t crack the rotation. Say what you will about the preseason, but unlike Rudy, Carroll not only looks really slow/old, but he hasn’t proven that he can add the value that Rudy can playing with what appears to be zapped athleticism
Forget his game; he physically looks pretty slow and old and Rudy does too and I don’t know if it’s just preseason. We will see.
IMO, that's a retroactive talking point to explain his DNP-CDs. Carroll looked like how I expected him to look in preseason. Maybe he looked different if you haven't watched him since his Hawks days but he looks the same as he did with the Nets.
Maybe it'll be a bad signing but I don't see why narratives should be changing when he hasn't even played a minute yet. Unless Gay is going to play 82 games, Carroll's chance will come and we'll get a better idea of how much he has left in the tank.
Aren't you at least a little bit surprised that he hasn't played a minute yet?
It's always possible that there's a little bit of an injury or something that we don't know about. But Mills and Beli are known quan ies. You would think he'd want to get eyes on Carroll at regular season speed, to see what he's got. And I can't help it - I look at Belinelli on the floor and I think, "How much worse could it get?"
Carroll isn't some rookie that doesn't know which end of the court is which, and his career 3P% is just about on par with Beli. He's almost exactly the same age, so it's not like he's older and slower. And he pulls down just about twice as many rebounds as Beli. So what could possibly be the downside to at least putting him in to evaluate?
I mean ... not really, tbh.
As I wrote:
I think Carroll will eventually play. But coming out of preseason, there was no clear road for him to get immediate minutes. He's like the fourth string SF and fourth string PF right now.The Spurs guaranteed DeMarre Carroll $15 million over the next couple seasons in order to acquire his services. Interestingly, though, it’s not obvious where his minutes will come from. In the preseason, Gay was the backup power forward and Belinelli was the backup small forward. Trey Lyles was getting minutes at PF and Lonnie Walker IV was getting minutes at SF. Where exactly are Carroll’s minutes going to come from?
https://www.spurstalk.com/preview-pr...urs-2019-2020/
He'll get his chance and if he can shoot decently and defends with energy, he should be able to carve out some sort of role. We'll see.
I always though his role was fairly obvious as the starting or backup 4; given his high volume 3pt shooting and defensive reputation, I thought that Pop would start him with Aldridge, DDR, Forbes and Murray which would have the duel effect of hopefully keeping Gay healthy and beefing up the bench with Gay playing with Poeltl, Beli, White and Mills.
What none of us expected was for Lyles to start, let alone for him to be a rotation player. (though Pop likes to mix and match and get players minutes early in the year). Pop could've given him some of Beli's minutes; something like Beli plays the first half backup SF minutes and Carroll playing the second half backup SF minutes, he's done it before with Cojo and Mills. Carroll getting health DNP's is just weird to me, even with Lyles getting minutes.
Oh, I know he'll eventually play - he's not going to finish the year with zero minutes. I was just surprised Pop didn't at least have a look. I guess I'm just so tired of Marco that I'm hoping for anything that looks better.
I know you know, but he's played most of his career minutes at SF, not PF. If he's being looked at as the 4th PF, I guess it makes sense. I'd like to see him competing for some of Beli's minutes. I don't know if you noticed, but last year he had the worst ORtg AND the worst DRtg (tied) on the team, out of anyone who got regular minutes. I know it's only two game this year, but it's much, much worse. I think the guy is an albatross, and as long as he's getting important minutes, this team is going to lose unnecessary games, or be forced to play the starters too much in order to pull out narrow victories.
The big thing to me is that Pop knows exactly who/what Beli is on this team. I would have thought he would go out of his way to get Carroll in to see how he fits. But I guess if he's really going to be spending all his time as the fourth PF, there's not much reason.
Well I guess I'm the only one who didn't get the memo. Like I said, he's played a lot more of his career at SF than at PF.
Carroll might be just the backup plan in case the Lyles experiment doesn't work.
The last two seasons, he played 75% of his minutes at PF, even some at center. Its similar to Gay, big 3's tend to slide up later in their career's. Doesn't make a lot of sense for PATFO to have signed him to backup DDR when, max, that's like 16 mpg and Beli already was the backup 3. At the 4, there's minutes available- at least before Pop started playing Lyles.
The real surprise is that he was signed for 6.5 million over 3 years (3rd year partially guaranteed) and doesn't play. If they wanted a 3rd stringer, they should've signed somebody for vet min on a one-year deal
WTF is going on with Pop and Carroll? It's starting to get weird. He saw plenty of action in preseason so it's weird he's getting DNP'd. He can't be that washed, he was a pretty big contributor for the Nets just last year.
You think we forgot all your cry threads.
3-0, .
LOL. What we have here is a failure to communicate. It's exactly those 16 Belinelli minutes that I want replaced. I am so sick of his no-defending ass. I would have much rather seen Beli on the bench for a game, while Pop gave Carroll a look.Sounds like no one else expected that experiment.
For the record, saying that he spent 75% of his minutes at the 4 in Brooklyn is suspect. I know how he's listed, that's not how they talked about him, and it's not what he was called in any articles I can remember. Even when the Spurs signed him, most of the articles talked about him as Brooklyn's small forward. The Nets had 1 player who was 6'1", and 11 players between 6'5" and 6'7". Do the math on roster spots, and you can see why Carroll at 6'8" was called a PF. He was a SF who played mostly like a SF on a perpetual small ball team that went 42-40 in the East.
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