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    If Trump only had a charity as legit as the Clinton Foundation

    *ding

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    The largest donation the Foundation made in those days—and indeed ever, according to the Washington Post—was a $264,231 gift to the Central Park Conservancy in 1989. This appears generous until you learn it was used to restore a fountain outside the Plaza Hotel, which Trump owned at the time. It directly benefitted his business.
    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...pay-2-million/
    I read the first sentence and thought to myself, "wow, at least the charity did one nice gesture". Then I read the second sentence.

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    If Trump only had a charity as legit as the Clinton Foundation

    *ding
    What specifically did the Clinton Foundation do that you did not like?

    What specifically did the Trump Charities do that you did not like?

    Then we will compare.
    Go.

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    All things Clinaton have been investigated and slandered for 25+ years, and Repugs have come with nothing but a dry hole.

    The strategy of the fascist, authoritarian oligarchy/Repugs is to deny any and all legitimacy to any and all opposition, which must obstructed, destroyed, defrauded, cheated



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    Oh, I'd love to read all about those.

    Do you have links to the original stories? I'd like to go straight to the source.
    When asked for sources, CC vanishes swiftly or hastily Googles something that doesn't quite do the trick.

    His whole schtick is authoritative PFA. In this case, he ghosted rather than attempt to back up his own declarations.

    To be fair, there were a number of stories that said so, none pursued to factual certainty that I know of.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-investigation
    https://nypost.com/2016/11/06/chelse...edding-emails/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stint-NBC.html


    I was more bothered by the appearance of influence peddling created by the Clinton Foundation accepting large donations from foreign sovereigns while HRC was Secretary of State, but each to his own.

    https://apnews.com/82df550e1ec646098...h-her-at-State



    The Clinton Foundation has been losing money since HRC lost:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...ash-flow-drop/

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    "The Clinton family, they are crooks, they are thieves, they are liars," says Haitian activist Dahoud Andre.

    He has been leading protests outside the Clinton Foundation headquarters in Manhattan and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign base in Brooklyn for the last two years.

    Mr Andre is not alone among his compatriots in blaming the once-and-perhaps-future first couple for a litany of ills in Haiti.

    Kim Ives, editor of Haiti Liberte newspaper, told the BBC: "A lot of Haitians are not big fans of the Clintons, that's for sure."

    Mr Clinton's own office at the UN found 9% of the foreign aid cash went to the Haitian government and 0.6% to local organisations.

    The bulk of it went to UN agencies, international aid groups, private contractors and donor countries' own civilian and military agencies.

    For example, the Pentagon billed the State Department hundreds of millions of dollars for sending US troops to hand out bottled water and keep order on the streets of Haiti's ravaged capital, Port-au-Prince.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

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    Chelsea Clinton used the Clinton Foundation's resources "for her wedding", an aide to former US President Bill Clinton wrote in 2012, according to emails released by WikiLeaks.

    They appear to show that Doug Band emailed John Podesta, chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, urging him to "speak to her and end this".

    "The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents..." Mr Band wrote.

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    accountability, retribution, punishment in America today is for the bottom of society, for non-whites, non-males, non-Christians, non-straight

    Along with the rigged economy, there is the rigged "justice" system, which is for sale, if you have enough money for the tricky, technicality lawyering.


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    "The Clinton family, they are crooks, they are thieves, they are liars," says Haitian activist Dahoud Andre.

    He has been leading protests outside the Clinton Foundation headquarters in Manhattan and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign base in Brooklyn for the last two years.

    Mr Andre is not alone among his compatriots in blaming the once-and-perhaps-future first couple for a litany of ills in Haiti.

    Kim Ives, editor of Haiti Liberte newspaper, told the BBC: "A lot of Haitians are not big fans of the Clintons, that's for sure."

    Mr Clinton's own office at the UN found 9% of the foreign aid cash went to the Haitian government and 0.6% to local organisations.

    The bulk of it went to UN agencies, international aid groups, private contractors and donor countries' own civilian and military agencies.

    For example, the Pentagon billed the State Department hundreds of millions of dollars for sending US troops to hand out bottled water and keep order on the streets of Haiti's ravaged capital, Port-au-Prince.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098
    US meddling in Haiti was and is shameful.

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    Chelsea Clinton used the Clinton Foundation's resources "for her wedding", an aide to former US President Bill Clinton wrote in 2012, according to emails released by WikiLeaks.

    They appear to show that Doug Band emailed John Podesta, chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, urging him to "speak to her and end this".

    "The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents..." Mr Band wrote.
    that's from one of my links, hater, and to give it the proper context, it is an allegation, hence the weasel words "appear to show."

    if you're going to pooh-pooh mere allegations against Trump, at least be consistent and acknowledge the same about folks you don't like.

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    US meddling in Haiti was and is shameful.
    for nearly 200 years, after the French got done ing over its former slaves.

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    US meddling in Haiti was and is shameful.
    It was not started with the Clinton as well.

    Also I will add that the staffing of the Foundation had a very bad look. The Clinton’s were told this by auditors.
    But Orange man has basically made this look silly trying to get his daughter and her husband special passes. Jared working on peace negotiations is an absolute joke. His buddies now in jail turned on him. The bestest people... Clusterfck.

    So as far as nepotism and helping old friends get a spot in organizations, the Clinton foundation gets a giant check as okay relative to the Orange cronyism. And Orange team have the gall use the drain the swamp pledge... Contradictions and total lack of awareness.

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    It was not started with the Clinton as well.

    Also I will add that the staffing of the Foundation had a very bad look. The Clinton’s were told this by auditors.
    But Orange man has basically made this look silly trying to get his daughter and her husband special passes. Jared working on peace negotiations is an absolute joke. His buddies now in jail turned on him. The bestest people... Clusterfck.

    So as far as nepotism and helping old friends get a spot in organizations, the Clinton foundation gets a giant check as okay relative to the Orange cronyism. And Orange team have the gall use the drain the swamp pledge... Contradictions and total lack of awareness.
    It's striking what a big blind spot Trump's nepotism and self-dealing is for MAGAs.

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    It's striking what a big blind spot Trump's nepotism and self-dealing is for MAGAs.
    The contradictions are dumbfounding.
    We have red senators filmed with legit self righteousness indignation at the Clinton impeachment now saying exactly the opposite of their previous views. These blatant contradictions used to be a total embarrassment. But when you live in a wannabe kingdom it’s not a problem.

    I guess there here has been enough time in between for this total lack of integrity not to bother them or their followers. “But, but... they wanted Trump out early on.” Mitch says my goal for these next 4 years is to defeat Obama. No contradiction. It’s not even amnesia. “We must protect our president first and foremost.”

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    for nearly 200 years, after the French got done ing over its former slaves.
    They're still doing it to Africa.

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    These blatant contradictions used to be a total embarrassment. But when you live in a wannabe kingdom it’s not a problem.
    Maintaining minority rule involves tough choices.

    You can't continue do good for the country if you allow the majority to win.

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    It's striking what a big blind spot Trump's nepotism and self-dealing is for MAGAs.
    What is Jared's salary at the white house?

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    What is Jared's salary at the white house?
    Connections and power have already been worth way more to Jared Kushner than any possible salary, tbh.

    Qatar soveriegn wealth already plowed how much into Kushner's then deeply indebted family business?

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    Imagine being so naive as to think appointing family members to government without a salary poses no possible conflicts of interest.

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    What is Jared's salary at the white house?
    CC leaps to Dennison's defense once again.

    You can ask Manafort about how effective a "working for free" defense is.

    For what government jobs Jared has do you think he is qualified?

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    CC leaps to Dennison's defense once again.
    Eliding self-dealing entirely.

    Blind spot.

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    We shrugging off The Clinton Foundation, CuckGuy?

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    I dont have a problem with his charity giving 20K to a worthy charity for the picture that wasn't worth to anyone else. That's how charities work. Who else would want a picture of him? It was set up from the beginning. That's the only practice of the charity I will defend.
    Every time I work up some small amount of grudging respect for your non-insaneness, you go off and do something like this.

    The life-size painting was purchased in 2007 during a charity event at which a so-called speed painter drew a likeness of Trump in just a few minutes. Melania Trump bid $10,000, and when no one else bid, she doubled the offer in a customary practice at charity auctions.

    The painter, Michael Israel, told the Post it was his understanding the artwork was sent to a Trump-owned golf course.

    IRS rules bar charity owners from using donations to buy items for themselves, and it’s possible Trump broke the law, as happened at least one other time with his charity.
    https://www.marke ch.com/story/tr...eal-2016-09-12

    So I could set up a charity, buy myself a car and write it off as a donation?

    That's what you want to defend?

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    What is Jared's salary at the white house?
    he was a billion dollars in debt at the 666 fifth ave property and on the verge of losing the property...

    but the qataris magically decided to bail him out of that debt - while you cheerleaded this administration-

    but but his salary is the issue!

    maga dumb-

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