NBA vs World Champions

**JoeChalupa** · 11-02-2005

If America sent their best players, we wouldn't have a debate over World Chmapions cause it would have been a masacre. Maybe this is Stern's way of trying to get our best over there.

If more of America's best players wanted to play in the Olympics we wouldn't have a debate.

**angel_luv** · 11-02-2005

I just saw it on the news, thus my other thread.

I saw it last night but it did not register.

I for one, favor the change. I never understood how beating only teams from the U.S. and Canada made anyone World Champions.

**Trainwreck2100** · 11-02-2005

Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

Talk is cheap.

So is logic look at America's best vs. the Arg. team and then without homer glasses see who will win. Also how is the Olympics different then the world championships.

**Trainwreck2100** · 11-02-2005

Originally Posted by angel_luv

I just saw it on the news, thus my other thread.

I saw it last night but it did not register.

I for one, favor the change. I never understood how beating only teams from the U.S. and Canada made anyone World Champions.

Cause you invented the damn sport.

**angel_luv** · 11-02-2005

But the compe ion is the NBA Finals.

You cannot compete in Texas beauty pageants and win Miss Georgia.

**Trainwreck2100** · 11-02-2005

Originally Posted by angel_luv

But the compe ion is the NBA Finals.

You cannot compete in Texas beauty pageants and win Miss Georgia.

I don't recall Texas inventing the beauty pageant. America invented the damn sport, back when Euros didn't play this compe ive the World Champ was in the NBA. We are talking early NBA here. So why change it just because international leagues start to develop.

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

So is logic look at America's best vs. the Arg. team and then without homer glasses see who will win. Also how is the Olympics different then the world championships.

like he said, talk is cheap! You want to prove your best are the best, well then GET THEM TO PLAY and stop running your mouth

**angel_luv** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

I don't recall Texas inventing the beauty pageant. America invented the damn sport, back when Euros didn't play this compe ive the World Champ was in the NBA. We are talking early NBA here. So why change it just because international leagues start to develop.

Until you beat all the compe ion the world has to offer in a sport, you are not a world champion.
As of the last summer Olympics, the U.S. is third.

**ajh18** · 11-03-2005

The Olympics or World Championships are NOT an accurate way of determining the best professional team in the world. That, to me, is what "world champion" means... the best professional basketball team in the world. The Olympics and World Championships are better determinants of what country has the ability to construct the most effective team based on its native players. This system determines the “world champion” in regards to country, but not professional basketball team. I would welcome other professional leagues’ champion to challenge the NBA champ for the le of world’s best… for this is the only true way to determine the best basketball team in the world, independent of national ties. Unfortunately, due to the liability issues associated with NBA contracts, I don’t see that happening. However, the point is, the Olympics and World Championships do NOT determine the best professional basketball team in the world, they determine what nation can construct the most effective team given their talent pool with several confounding factors involved, and these are two VERY different kinds of “world championships”.

**ajh18** · 11-03-2005

On that note, I very much doubt any champion of any other professional basketball league could have beaten our Spurs team last year, but that we'll never know.

**SequSpur** · 11-03-2005

wgaf about foreigners anyways.

**Trainwreck2100** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by angel_luv

Until you beat all the compe ion the world has to offer in a sport, you are not a world champion.
As of the last summer Olympics, the U.S. is third.

So if the US win the World Championships, they can go back to being world champs?

**Vashner** · 11-03-2005

It's just legal ease.... I.E. associating it with the league means more income control for NBA labeled merchandise.

**Sense** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

like he said, talk is cheap! You want to prove your best are the best, well then GET THEM TO PLAY and stop running your mouth

Don't in kid yourself, we know you want to defend your country as well as the country of other foreigner's teams, but the truth is the best USA players in one team and nothing beats them, it's been proven before.

I'm not even going to start or respond to an argument, we all know where you stand in it anyways..

But seriously

Stop kidding yourself.

**T Park** · 11-03-2005

I love how Alvarez drops his "The olympics are the World definer"

FIBA, they easily have the worst rules and worst refs.

Oh yeah, America INVENTED the goddamn sport. So a big STFU to you there.

**Das Texan** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by T Park

I love how Alvarez drops his "The olympics are the World definer"

FIBA, they easily have the worst rules and worst refs.

Oh yeah, America INVENTED the goddamn sport. So a big STFU to you there.

didnt a canadian invent basketball?

**T Park** · 11-03-2005

in America. So its a wash..

US Armed Forces Nuclear Stockpile

active warheads/spares

7,600/382

^this qualifies us as world champs of everything^

Word

**polandprzem** · 11-03-2005

T Park your vbookie tells your knowlage about the NBA more than enything

**team-work** · 11-03-2005

I think "NBA champion" is better term, because the basketball game played in USA is slightly different from that internationally, in terms of rules, court dimensions, quarter length......

**velik_m** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by ajh18

The Olympics or World Championships are NOT an accurate way of determining the best professional team in the world. That, to me, is what "world champion" means... the best professional basketball team in the world. The Olympics and World Championships are better determinants of what country has the ability to construct the most effective team based on its native players. This system determines the ?world champion? in regards to country, but not professional basketball team. I would welcome other professional leagues? champion to challenge the NBA champ for the le of world?s best? for this is the only true way to determine the best basketball team in the world, independent of national ties. Unfortunately, due to the liability issues associated with NBA contracts, I don?t see that happening. However, the point is, the Olympics and World Championships do NOT determine the best professional basketball team in the world, they determine what nation can construct the most effective team given their talent pool with several confounding factors involved, and these are two VERY different kinds of ?world championships?.

you see that's just the point... outside USA world champion is reserved for countries (teams and individuals presenting them). They could be called world club champions, but as Angel pointed out if others don't have the right to compete for it, you can't really say you are better then them (even if you are). Outside USA (at least in Slo) nba champs were always refered to as nba champs not world champs, so i think the banner change is getting in touch with global fans.

**TheWriter** · 11-03-2005

Is it that big of a deal?

**Kamnik** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by timvp

F that. If someone else in the world wanted to challenge the Spurs last year to a seven game series, bring 'em on.

dont be too y man

as far as i remember NBA national team leaded by Tim Duncan was humiliated in Athens by a number of "world" teams (including Argentina of Manu Ginobili)

i dont want to start a fight here but u know it is the thruth

leave that American "we are the best" mentality behind if u cant show u are the best

Spurs won the NBA championship!

i didnt see them playing teams from New Zealand or China

**ata** · 11-03-2005

Just one question: is the champion of the MLS also called "World Champion"?

C'mon, whoever won NBA league championship is NBA Champion and since in the rest of the world "World Champion" mean a winner of compe ion with national teams maybe USA could do the same.

**SLOVENIAN 8** · 11-03-2005

Originally Posted by Das Texan

didnt a canadian invent basketball?

Didn`t we discovered America

For me the world club champions are not Spurs, i am a big fan of Spurs but i can`t say that they are the WC. The world is big....
The best indicator of WC, is WC championship, and in last WC Serbia wins it, so they are WC. I dont care who play for USA and who not. I dont care if Shaq did not play, Serbia was better and prove that. The WC is not only players, but it it the whole team. There are coaches, and the country basketball federation, that must do everything to get their best players.
You say that USA would win it, if there was Shaq , Tmac...... this is just

You shoud do something that thay will be there, but anyway USA have a lot of good players , so you dont really need Shaq, itd....

**diego** · 11-03-2005

it makes sense. the nba should imitate soccer and organize a world club championship, where the champs of each national league play in a mini-tournament to determine the world's best club.

problem is the rules are different. looking at it that way, who cares if they are world champs or Nba champs, they are the only ones playing by those rules.

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