Looks like you guys may get Horry

[ducks]

what are you going to do with the the extra cap room Ghost?

You are taking horry away from the lakers. sure you are paying him to much but still you only have him one year. but atleast you get someone.

[From Way Downtown]

Yeah, Ferry made huge money last year -- this offer amounts to a cost of living increase for a player to fill that role. Bringing in Horry also doesn't mean that Rose has to go anywhere -- after all, Danny Ferry and Malik Rose have co-existed for years.

Ghost -- while I agree that back-up PG should be a priority, I don't think you can just say "throw that money at Speedy," and assume it will make the difference. What Speedy seems most interested in is a starting opportunity. He isn't going to get that in SA.

Speedy also wants multiple years at good money. It makes sense to me to offer what is essentially a one-year deal (second year reported to be team option) to Horry at $5 million if the other option is to overpay Speedy Claxton for 3-5 years. As nice as Claxton was at times in the Finals, he was so brutally overmatched, for example, in Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals (when Parker was sick and Speedy got big minutes) that Pop had no choice to run Kerr out on the floor!!! I'd hardly call that a ringing endorsement to seriously overpay for a guy.

[Ghost Writer]

Um, Danny Ferry made $1,030,000 last year.

Horry made $5,300,000 last year.

Next.

[MannyIsGod]

Why do you not want to pay this much for Horry?

All things being equal, what does it matter if we overpay Horry?

[scott]

Weren't we paying Danny Ferry $4.5 Mill this last season to play the Danny Ferry role?

This is exactly what I was thinking.

[MI21]

Ferry was payed 4.5 Million.

[Ghost Writer]

MI, did Ferry get a bonus? I checked last year's salary and it said $1,030,000 for Ferry.

Even still, I wasn't a fan of Ferry, either. We're talking about 10 minutes a night, people.

[Solid D]

Horry is a 3/4, not a 4/5. Don't forget that Horry played the 3 throughout much of his career. The Lakers asked him to bulk up to play the 4 more in their scheme. Based on matchups, he can guard the bigger 3s but not the smaller, quicker 3s.

The Spurs need a backup 3 and a backup 1. That's what I see Pop doing with this offer...filling the backup 3 role and he effectively upgrades Danny Ferry. It's a higher price to pay but he may be worth it when matching up against the Spurs #1 nemesis that just got stronger in the frontcourt.

[Fizzzar]

No, we are talking about the 3 pointer that can give you a ring. And I'm happy they overpayed to get that.

If not for Horry, the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Kings in 2002. We need that.

[MI21]

MI, did Ferry get a bonus? I checked last year's salary and it said $1,030,000 for Ferry.

To be honest, I dont know why he got paid that much. All the salary sites list him at your amount, but in reality he was paid 4.5 Mill.

Your better off asking Base or Genghis they will probably know why he got paid that much.

[Ghost Writer]

Figures, "Jazzhoops.com" had the wrong salary for Ferry last year. I went to USAToday.com and got it right.


Fizaaaar, Horry hasn't made a 3-pointer in the playoffs since 2001-02.

Next.

[Fizzzar]

Ghost, Horry played too many mins in the season and was done by the playoffs, you are twisting the facts.

Horry has always been clutch and will be clutch again in the Spurs where his mis will be monitored and he will have his legs fresh come playoff time.

[scott]

How much should we pay Horry then (if anything), Ghost- and what should we do with that capspace instead?

[Solid D]

Last years 3s for the Spurs:
Bowen
Jackson
Ginobili
Smitty
Ferry

2003-04 3s for the Spurs
Scenario 1: add Horry, delete Smitty & Ferry

Bowen
Jackson
Ginobili
Horry

2003-04 3s for the Spurs
Scenario 2: Spree replaces Jack, add Horry, delete Smitty & Ferry:

Bowen
Sprewell
Ginobili
Horry

[TwoHandJam]

Ghost, Horry played too many mins in the season and was done by the playoffs, you are twisting the facts.

Horry has always been clutch and will be clutch again in the Spurs where his mis will be monitored and he will have his legs fresh come playoff time.

Not only that but I believe he had a wrist injury at the time that was not well publicized. I'm fairly sure I saw this on a Laker board somewhere. It jives with his "sheer cliff" drop off in productivity. Players' averages generally don't plummet that drastically without a reason, especially at Horry's age.

[2Cleva]

As a Laker fan, it would be tough to see Rob in SA. He brings all the intangibles that a team needs. And he'll always be remembered as Big Shot Rob but his decline last year was predictable. He's been getting slower every year. He did have a lot of nagging injuries (hand, knee) that just wouldn't completely heal. Saying that, I'd still want him back in LA. He has a calming effect on a team because he never gets too up or down at anything, But i didn't want him at the 5.3 option LA had. 2 or 3 mil a year is about right.

Just as a warning, especially during the regular season, Rob tends to wander. Does stupid things on the court, etc... just because he doesn't get motivated. One thing that has been the key to SA's success is that everyone goes all out - no matter what time of the season it is. Horry doesn't do that at all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Um, Danny Ferry made $1,030,000 last year.

+ 3.5 million



NEWSFLASH GHost: we have 6 players under contract. It's time to start filling out the bench.

I don't like this though, it sounds as though he's looking for an offer from LA

AHF

[TwoHandJam]

Just as a warning, especially during the regular season, Rob tends to wander. Does stupid things on the court, etc... just because he doesn't get motivated. One thing that has been the key to SA's success is that everyone goes all out - no matter what time of the season it is. Horry doesn't do that at all.

I've seen his tendency to do this but I think this is because he had become too comfortable in LA. I doubt that he wouldn't be focused in his first year on a new team. You have to prove yourself to stay in the rotation and I think Rob would have a lot to prove both to himself and his team after last year's debacle.

[Cassius Clay]

He'd have $5.5 million reasons to do well next season.

[gospurs21]

GW is against signing aging big name (I didn't want to say star) FA. Who would have guessed it. I did read all of the thread dip ...this was my conclusion (for below).

GW,
While I agree it would be nice to throw 5M at Speedy to keep him, I believe he will go for a little more and a starting position for a 3 year deal. Based upon his china doll past, that's kinda lot of money to tie up for 3 years. I think the only reason Speedy will not be back is he wants to start.

Go Spurs...

[Ghost Writer]

Try reading the rest of the thread, smartass.

Aggie, welcome to the conversation. Now try giving a unique perspective.

I hope LA retains Horry for more than $5 million. They paid him $5,300,000 last year and he sucked.

[Ghost Writer]

Try reading the rest of the thread, smartass.

Aggie, welcome to the conversation. Now try giving a unique perspective.

I hope LA retains Horry for more than $5 million. They paid him $5,300,000 last year and he sucked.



P,S,

Don't talk to me about "Filling Out the Bench". I started a big thread about that already, son.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well it's great you already started one, doesn't change the fact that Horry is one of the best available out there when we're looking to do that.

AHF

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think LA can offer him that much can they?

[Ghost Writer]

Here you go, Aggie:

pub237.ezboard.com/ffulls...4145.topic

I don't think Horry is worth $5 million at this point in his career and I am not crazy about paying that much to a guy to play 10 minutes a night.

That opinion won't be changed, so let's just move on.

A trade for talent sure would be nice instead of blowing money on a has-been.


P.S.

gospurs, please don't confuse Horry with anything remotely close to a "star". At his best, Horry was not a star.