Reply With QuoteSo it's agreed, then: Piatkowski is going to carry us in the playoffs with his three-point shooting, like in 1989-1990.
Must be the Parkinsons
So it's agreed, then: Piatkowski is going to carry us in the playoffs with his three-point shooting, like in 1989-1990.
89 90
who the **** shot the ball well outside in 89 90
David Wingate???
Who is this dumb ?
The ability to process sarcasm/irony/deadpan usually comes with puberty.
So it's preferable for the Spurs not to add Piatkowksi?
he would be great especially right now
The first thing I wrote was "Piatkowski would be nice".
Spurs' fans must be on edge. People are too quick to snap over jokes and sarcasm these days.
Exhibit A on why the Fantasy Summer of 2003 plan was flawed to being with.Guys we NEVER HAD A CHANCE AT! O'Neal wasn't going to give up 30 million to become the second option and leave a city he liked.
Brand was going to be matched no matter what the Spurs did.
They were complete PIPE DREAMS. -WriterNum934
Then the Spurs should never have given themselves this flexibility with DRob's retirement? Apparently they wouldn't have been able to even score a Nesterovic in free agency if they were capped out. SJax might not have been back as well.
Of course they did get TD to re-sign. But yeah we always thought that was going to happen.
Surely you aren't suggesting that the Spurs would've still saved cap room for this summer if they knew that O'Neal, Brand, Marion, Pierce, etc. would be unavailable. It was about signing superstars to complement Duncan's game much more than it was about "flexibility" from long-term contracts.
We can find positives that have come as a result of the Holting Pattern, but as far as the main objective is concerned, most people will agree that it has been a big disappointment.
When are you going to admit it, Cassius?
I walked into a store one day and bought a lotto ticket. I filled in the number on the ticket, but unbeknownest to me, I accidently filled in a number I didn't mean to.
I went home that night, watched the lotto drawing, and ended up winning a jackpot of 10 millino dollars
Unfortunetly, I didn't get 10 million, I only recived 3 due to taxes and my cash option.
What a miserable failure.
The Spurs won the le because of the personal decisions they have made up to this point, regardless of what signings they made this summer.
That ultimately made it a success.
This summer on its own has been viewed as a home run or nothing by spurs fans.
THE NBA SEASON IS NOT A HOME RUN DERBY, A DOUBLE SUFFICES JUST FINE.
Call it damage control, call it spin, call me a homer, but the fact is that we are still making additions and we have been able to add a replacement for a key player in our le run,and the ability to augment a team that was already a championship team.
Those are the facts. So we didn't get a superstar, so? We still have a shot at a le, a DAMN GOOD ONE.
Quit your ing you damn babies.
I wish I had an internet pacifier to shove in Admirals mouth as well as Ghost's.
A double? Rasho is more like an infield single and Horry and Pike are bunts.
What was the damn alternative? You know DRob is retiring. Why exactly is it a horrible idea to give yourself significant cap flexibility in the summer in which he retires? Would you have preferred the Spurs to be capped out this summer while looking for a DRob replacement?We can find positives that have come as a result of the Holting Pattern, but as far as the main objective is concerned, most people will agree that it has been a big disappointment.
Manny is right, GW and GW Jr need a damn pacifier.
I thought it was due to personnel decisions more than anything, Manny.The Spurs won the le because of the personal decisions they have made up to this point, regardless of what signings they made this summer. -Manny
Like it or not, the organization painted that picture two years ago when they declared we were in rebuilding mode. Some of us warned that it was risky at best to bank on signing a superstar this summer, and people like you were probably one of the ones who told us we were being too negative. Go figure.This summer on its own has been viewed as a home run or nothing by spurs fans. -Manny
I agree that we've done a great job of adjusting to the disappointments, so you won't hear me complain about the Spurs' front office. You also won't hear me say that we're doomed, because I think we are going to be fine this year. You also won't hear me gloss over the fact that we didn't reach our goals for the summer. If you can't handle that, I'm sorry.Call it damage control, call it spin, call me a homer, but the fact is that we are still making additions and we have been able to add a replacement for a key player in our le run,and the ability to augment a team that was already a championship team. -Manny
My outlook is as positive as yours is, Manny. I'm just not scared to look back at the past to evaluate what went wrong, so that it can be corrected in the future. I guess that's what separates the leaders from the followers. Hopefully the person in front of you isn't blocking your view, Manny.Quit your ing you damn babies. I wish I had an internet pacifier to shove in Admirals mouth as well as Ghost's. -Manny
Next.
It's not a horrible idea to give yourself cap flexibility after DRob retires, but you should do so understanding that it's risky.What was the damn alternative? You know DRob is retiring. Why exactly is it a horrible idea to give yourself significant cap flexibility in the summer in which he retires? Would you have preferred the Spurs to be capped out this summer while looking for a DRob replacement? -Cassius Clay
By the way, your tactic of suggesting extreme examples is getting old. Nobody is suggesting that we be capped out this summer, but there is a middle ground. Some cap space is preferred, but saving almost all of it and banking on signing two superstars was perhaps not the best choice. I suppose that's why they say hindsight is 20/20. At least we stuck with our plan and gave it our all. I certainly can't fault the effort by our front office.
Manny is right, GW and GW Jr need a damn pacifier. -Cassius Clay
Yes Admiral, life is "risky." The Spurs have found a decent replacement for DRob version 2003 and will be able to improve their bench and keep together virtually all of their young core, save one reserve who is looking for a starting job elsewhere.
God save us all.
Come on guys, still cracking down on anything that is not "Spurs are great"?
Let's be perfectly honest here. The Holt-ing pattern was initiated two years ago, not to get some "nice" role players like Rasho (we hope) and Horry, but to put a superstar next to Tim Duncan.
We watched our targets fall off the map one by one - Marion re-signing with Phoenix for example, and said "that's okay, Jermaine, JKidd, Brand, etc. will all be available."
And then July 1 got here, and everything went to . Jason Kidd played us, like some here saw and called, and did so for a week.
The same loyalty and responsibility to a franchise that we lauded in Tim Duncan was cursed when Jermaine returned to Indy to be the man (and collect $30 million more from).
The Clippers, despite their cheapness, said all along they'd match Brand, and they took, what two days to do so?
In the meantime of the Spurs pissing into the proverbial wind/up the rope, our nemesis in LA went out and got themselves Gary Payton and Karl Malone for a tidy 6.3 million dollars.
Ask yourselves, the Spurs with two and a half times that, what if we had pursued those two? Where would we be right now? Set.
Put aside the cracks on Karl Malone "not being able to fit in", he's one of the game's greats, he will. Same for Gary Payton. Damn if we couldn't have had GP mentoring TP for 2-3 years, how big would that have been?
Instead we planned and planned for all this "cap space", and here we are one week from August still holding 3/4 of it.
I should remind Marcus/SF/Cassius/Archie that he retorted during our criticism of Kidd that "the Spurs need to make a superstar acquisition this summer, that's what the Holt-ing pattern is all about."
Well guess what, no amount of sugar coating or blind faith in Pop's love for Rasho can take away from that fact.
So in the essence of the original post, the Spurs summer should be graded at an F. Say what you want about guys not being available or what not, but it doesn't appear that things like that factored into our pursuit of the Holt-ing pattern and mismatched free agents like JKidd to begin with.
Couple this off-season with the Spurs flirtation with Chris Webber a few years back, and I hope to god our management team will recognize that if they want to improve this team around Tim Duncan, creative drafting and shrewd trades are the way to go, free agency with a wad of cash is definite fool's gold, at least where San Antone is concerned.
AHF
What I said was that ideally the Spurs would be able to get a second superstar for Duncan outright through free agency this summer. Of course you retorted that Kidd was a mistake and that the Spurs would be better off without him. Now you go off on the Spurs again. Stop ing just to and be happy since what you said the Spurs should do happened.
Also Aggie you are a damn baby. Jesus Christ this team just won a le and here you are ing because they took a couple of shots at franchise players and didn't land one in free agency.
I'm not ing because of what happened, I'm ing because the plan was flawed all along
And it appears for all the thoroughness that we have come to expect by the guys at the top of our front office, they didn't bother to think through the facts that 1) most major targets would be off the map, 2) Jason Kidd would play us to get what he wants out of NJ, despite his "friendship" with TD [our Jason Kidd front office hardon the last two years has been a monumental set up for failure from the beginning], 3) Sterling wouldn't let an All-Star walk for nothing.
I'm excited we won a le, but to be perfectly blunt this wasn't about celebrating the le, it was about putting us into position to do it again. I don't see Pop and RC drunk off champagne singing some Queen song, do you? The celebration was over, once July 1 hit it was time to work on the repeat.
I'm not sure how criticizing our front office for a flawed strategy like this way is in any way more "acting like a baby" than when you get owned in an argument and go register a different user handle to post under because you got called out and are afraid to show your face.
We post here because we can share different opinions remember, your retort about "being a baby" sounds more like something I'd hear and expect from Buddy Holly or Dizz than someone like you.
You're better than that, opinions be damned.
AHF
Ok, so the plan was "flawed." Instead the Spurs should have done.........................................what?
What the ? I hope you're not talking about me, TPark. Tell me you're not talking about me.89 90
who the **** shot the ball well outside in 89 90
David Wingate???
Who is this dumb ?
I misread what he said. I thought he didn't want to rely on shooting. That's why I said "like 89-90", when the Spurs had no outside shooting.
Man, people are sensitive.
How was the plan flawed? They gave themself flexibility after Robinson retired. They didn't expect to land Kidd, O'Neal or Brand. Those were longshots who they went after in hopes of a miracle hapenning. They weren't the must-have targets that some mistake it to be.
With that flexibility, they landed an new center and will put together the best bench in Spurs history. How is that a bad thing?
Bottomline is that Spurs fans had their heads in the clouds when they dreamt of Kidds and O'Neals. Reality is they were able to secure a new starter and a great bench.
How sad.
I am always going to believe the impetus to land Kidd came from Duncan, not Pop..I just don't see Pop getting that excited about Kidd's game.
I am still glad we didn't get him..I just think the guy is a bad egg and let's face it..he had nothing to gain by coming here and everything to lose..from credibility with other players in the NBA, to his status as the leagues best PG if we failed to repeat, to money. It's ironic that many of those who were against Kidd from the beginning in some ways have more respect for him as a player than those who wanted him here...Kidd isn't a nutrider..what has he ever done to make anyone think that?
And I really hope we still get the best bench in our history...Horry could still wind up back in LA...picking him up will keep this offseason from being a lost one one IMO.
I kinda agree this wasn't a great offseason..I am still and will continue to be pissed we gave away our draft pick and didn't even consider Payton.. but I don't think the offseason was lousy if we come out of it replacing DROB and upgrading our shooting.
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