How The He** Was There No Fire Sale At The Trade Deadline?

[DPG21920]

This is what happens when you have two very opposed mindsets in the front office. I am confident in saying that its highly unlikely that the FO is lock step in what they should do.

You have Pop towering over everyone and basically Kobe-ing the Spurs. He wants to win now, blinded by that, despite it not probably being the best thing for the team long term.

Then you have a FO that is also hedging for the future.

But when you have a coach that allows for losing to set in, no defense and bad habits this is what you get. He’s coaching some people but not all. He’s not doing anything to stop the bleeding and as much as our guys are good guys, they know the truth. They know who doesn’t deserve minutes but is getting them. They see the constant breakdowns.

Not making even a minor trade to send a message was a big mistake.

[duncan2k5]

Career winning percentage?? We are losing!!! And gonna miss the playoffs!! What winning percentage are u saying he doesn't wanna sacrifice? Lol... It is very clear we needed to make moves... But Pop has lost it... Even Donavan is coaching the OKC roster to the playoffs...

[tholdren]

Lma should have been packaged, or tried with gay, since his "3 point" threat had been established. Hes worse than love on both sides of the ball.

[21209]

The Timberwolves re-made the majority of their roster this past week and with their new players, they blow out the Clippers,

[baseline bum]

They're going to re-sign DeRozan this summer, aren't they?

[Dverde]

I actually believe they didn’t want to trade DeMar because it would hurt his feelings. Also front office ego about looking like losers on the Nephew trade.

[Dverde]

They're going to re-sign DeRozan this summer, aren't they?

They still have to sit down with Bryn Forbes and figure out how they want to build this team together. Entirely up to him.

[JeffDuncan]

They're going to re-sign DeRozan this summer, aren't they?

DDR has a player option. If he signs it, he's back. No team re-signing necessary.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I'm so confused. I thought you guys want to lose and get the lottery pick. If they traded someone they might have started to win....

[Leetonidas]

I'm so confused. I thought you guys want to lose and get the lottery pick. If they traded someone they might have started to win....

We want the team to pick a ing lane and commit. Either make a real playoffs push and trade for some legit pieces or have a fire sale and commit to the rebuild. This fighting for the 8th-11th seed and a mid lotto pick is ing stupid

[K...]

The Timberwolves re-made the majority of their roster this past week and with their new players, they blow out the Clippers,

But the Spurs also beat good teams from time to time. It means nothing. The wolves have a true star in his prime. They had to move. Just like when we had a true number one we tried to get talent but the Uncle thing happened. Why would the Spurs trade middling players for middling players when there isn't a system to plug them in? Just stirring the pot for the eighth seed.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm so confused. I thought you guys want to lose and get the lottery pick. ...

Nobody wants to lose. But if the Spurs are losing anyway, might as well make the best of it, and go big.

[phxspurfan]

DDR has a player option. If he signs it, he's back. No team re-signing necessary.

He may not pick that up

[ducks]

Wiggins was young good when motivated
Russel for Wiggins was a no brainer

[RC_Drunkford]

This is what happens when you have two very opposed mindsets in the front office. I am confident in saying that its highly unlikely that the FO is lock step in what they should do.

You have Pop towering over everyone and basically Kobe-ing the Spurs. He wants to win now, blinded by that, despite it not probably being the best thing for the team long term.

Then you have a FO that is also hedging for the future.

But when you have a coach that allows for losing to set in, no defense and bad habits this is what you get. He’s coaching some people but not all. He’s not doing anything to stop the bleeding and as much as our guys are good guys, they know the truth. They know who doesn’t deserve minutes but is getting them. They see the constant breakdowns.

Not making even a minor trade to send a message was a big mistake.

"We're doing what's best for the team"

I don't even know how Flopovich himself can believe the dumb he's saying

[duncan2k5]

Incompetence

[Duncan2177]

" I had more important things to focus on then a silly game of basketball. You Spurs fans need to get over yourselves, there are bigger things then basketball "

If you feel that way then you need to retire dumbass.

[Spurtacular]

Teams were probably baffled because they couldn't decide who they wanted more, Rudy or Belinelli.

The Spurs are in a horrible financial situation, as far as making any serious moves. The highest paid player on the team does not even attempt 3-point shots. For example.

The Kings hit 19 of 35 three-pointers against us. In beating the Clips, the Twolves went 26 of 44 from the arc. Teams notice things like that.

Then they look at DDR. Who shoots zilch for zilch from the arc. Do they want him? Not much. Would they pay $27.7 million for him? Har har har.

DDR can do some things, sure. He's a good player in some ways. He can get you 20 ppg the hard way, 2 at a time. What's that really worth, in ye olde modern NBA? Wild guess...$15M. Can the Spurs afford to take a $12M loss on that contract? Nope. All they can do is let it run out. So, no trade.

Same with Rudy Gay. The Spurs are overpaying him by too much. The team can't afford the hit to trade him.

Same with LMA. Sure, he could be traded, but at what price? There's the rub.

Fans talk about the players, but it's really about the money. The Spurs, these last few years with Pop, have been grossly overpaying players. Now it's come around to bite them. They can't afford trades. The financial losses are too heavy.

It's all turned into a big Pau Gasol situation. The Spurs moved Gasol by agreeing to pay part of his salary themselves. Of which $5M is still on the books this year.

Sure, the Spurs could have a "fire sale" and move most of their players - by agreeing to pay, oh, maybe $50 million worth of salary to players who aren't here any more. Good grief.

That's what a fire sale is, often: Pennies on the dollar. What's the advantage in keeping him at this point? I suppose the outside shot at making the playoffs stays intact; though these Spurs don't look very interested in that.

Spurs could've gotten rid of LMA, DDR if they really wanted, IMO. I just don't think Gregg wants the ungodly # of L's on his record. That was okay when they were tanking for Duncan and the payoff was obvious. It's too much of a gut punch to Gregg's ego though. We can hope he retires after 2020 Team USA stuff maybe.

[JeffDuncan]

That's what a fire sale is, often: Pennies on the dollar. ...

LMA has a legally-binding contract for $26 M this year, and $24 M next year. Are YOU going to pay it?

Are you?

... What's the advantage in keeping him at this point? ...

Guy, the Spurs can't just hand LMA a $20 bill and tell him to leave, because he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract. Are you just a fool? Whassa matter you?

Spurs could've gotten rid of LMA, ...

Guy, when there are LEGALLY-BINDING contracts...

YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. THEM.

Do you have so little experience of the world you've never heard of contracting for services?

The Spurs couldn't find anybody to take LMA's contract off their hands. They couldn't find anybody else who would agree to pay LMA that much to play basketball. In other words, PATFO could not find anybody else in the NBA who's as financially stupid as they are.

Sure, the Spurs could have traded LMA's contract, as far as just that simple fact goes. They could have found teams ready to pay him, oh, $18 million, maybe. But he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract for $24 million next season. SOMEBODY is going to pay him the other $6 million. Are you volunteering to make up the difference?

See the problem?

You seem to think it's only about the players. That's incorrect. It's about the money. The MONEY.

The Spurs have signed contracts which are gross overpays for DDR, LMA, Rudy Gay, and others. The Spurs cannot find other teams who are willing to pay those players that much. Which means the Spurs are stuck with those contracts.

[Spurtacular]

LMA has a legally-binding contract for $26 M this year, and $24 M next year. Are YOU going to pay it?

Are you?




Guy, the Spurs can't just hand LMA a $20 bill and tell him to leave, because he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract. Are you just a fool? Whassa matter you?




Guy, when there are LEGALLY-BINDING contracts...

YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. THEM.

Do you have so little experience of the world you've never heard of contracting for services?

The Spurs couldn't find anybody to take LMA's contract off their hands. They couldn't find anybody else who would agree to pay LMA that much to play basketball. In other words, PATFO could not find anybody else in the NBA who's as financially stupid as they are.

Sure, the Spurs could have traded LMA's contract, as far as just that simple fact goes. They could have found teams ready to pay him, oh, $18 million, maybe. But he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract for $24 million next season. SOMEBODY is going to pay him the other $6 million. Are you volunteering to make up the difference?

See the problem?

You seem to think it's only about the players. That's incorrect. It's about the money. The MONEY.

The Spurs have signed contracts which are gross overpays for DDR, LMA, Rudy Gay, and others. The Spurs cannot find other teams who are willing to pay those players that much. Which means the Spurs are stuck with those contracts.

Nobody saying the Spurs couldn't pay part of the contract in a trade. Get off your high horse, bro.

[talkspurs]

LMA has a legally-binding contract for $26 M this year, and $24 M next year. Are YOU going to pay it?

Are you?




Guy, the Spurs can't just hand LMA a $20 bill and tell him to leave, because he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract. Are you just a fool? Whassa matter you?




Guy, when there are LEGALLY-BINDING contracts...

YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. THEM.

Do you have so little experience of the world you've never heard of contracting for services?

The Spurs couldn't find anybody to take LMA's contract off their hands. They couldn't find anybody else who would agree to pay LMA that much to play basketball. In other words, PATFO could not find anybody else in the NBA who's as financially stupid as they are.

Sure, the Spurs could have traded LMA's contract, as far as just that simple fact goes. They could have found teams ready to pay him, oh, $18 million, maybe. But he has a LEGALLY-BINDING contract for $24 million next season. SOMEBODY is going to pay him the other $6 million. Are you volunteering to make up the difference?

See the problem?

You seem to think it's only about the players. That's incorrect. It's about the money. The MONEY.

The Spurs have signed contracts which are gross overpays for DDR, LMA, Rudy Gay, and others. The Spurs cannot find other teams who are willing to pay those players that much. Which means the Spurs are stuck with those contracts.

It is not always the contract that makes it hard it is what are the spurs wanting back. if they were wanting a first for carrol and 2 for Marco nobody was going to do that as it would have been giving up to much. I am sure If we would have been willing to take a 2nd rd and some contract equal to LMA we could have traded him I think he is worth more then that but it also comes down to what are we asking back.

If I was the Spurs and could have gotten a 2nd for Marco or Carrol I would have done it. Might have even done it for Gay.

[JeffDuncan]

Nobody saying the Spurs couldn't pay part of the contract in a trade. Get off your high horse, bro.

We're talking about trading players, and I was pointing out the basic cause of the problem (which you and others were ignoring.)

If the Spurs agreed to pay, say, $6 M of the cost of trading LMA, that would effectively add $6 M to the cost of his replacement.

Same with the others, like DDR and Gay. It's a terrible financial bind.

[Big P]

We're talking about trading players, and I was pointing out the basic cause of the problem (which you and others were ignoring.)

If the Spurs agreed to pay, say, $6 M of the cost of trading LMA, that would effectively add $6 M to the cost of his replacement.

Same with the others, like DDR and Gay. It's a terrible financial bind.

$3 mil is the max cash a team can include in a trade.

[JeffDuncan]

$3 mil is the max cash a team can include in a trade.

Hm, I haven't gone back and checked, and could be mistaken, but I thought the Spurs sent $5 M cash to Toronto in the KL trade.

[tbdog]

He can't be aggregated for two months after the trade. It wouldn't matter in the off-season.

I actually thought he could be it must be a seperate trade. Maybe I am thinking if someone gets traded in the off season then at the trade deadline. Now coming to think of it, did this make is harder to trade Caroll because technically he was traded for?