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    Pop was conceding defeat as soon as he olled out small ball, but really -- no big other than Duncan had much business being out there tonight.
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    TwoHand,

    I'd just like to see us do something against Dallas besides make Avery look like the second coming of Wooden.

    Is that too much to ask?

    Save the ing around with the rotations for the scrub teams, and not teams that will be contending with you for home court advantage throughout the playoffs.
    I agree it was maddening to watch Pop's subs ution patterns but I don't agree that we will be contending with the Mavs for HCA throughout the playoffs. If the team we have this year is in a tight race for HCA with the Mavs, then we'll probably have a much bigger problem than Pop's subs ution patterns in November.

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    Pop was coceding defeat as soon as he olled out small ball, but really -- no big other than Duncan had much business being out there tonight.
    I thought Rasho played well in very limited minutes, and Nazr barely saw the floor.

    Rasho: 16 minutes, 3-6 shooting, 6 pts, 5 rebounds (3 off), 1 steal, 1 TO

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    Reality check for the Spurs. When the opponent shows more hustle and more concentration on the game, the Spurs can lose the game. This was not a memorable game by any means. Bowen, Ginobili, and Horry are still looking for their shooting touch. Parker looks very good on some of his penetrations but he needs to distribute the ball now and then. He is not supposed to be Allan Iverson. Mohammed's hands frustrate the out of me. The mavs played a great game and they deserved the win.

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    I agree it was maddening to watch Pop's subs ution patterns but I don't agree that we will be contending with the Mavs for HCA throughout the playoffs. If the team we have this year is in a tight race for HCA with the Mavs, then we'll probably have a much bigger problem than Pop's subs ution patterns in November.
    Don't underestimate the Mavs, this is the first year in a while they don't have to deal with any major offseason trades/signings and Avery's a good coach. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mavs finish with one of the top three or four records in the West.

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    gino missed alot of shots, finley didnt show up, nve was abused on the court, and tim duncan our team mvp only has 12 touches?

    this tony parker bs , i dont care if his shot is improving, he should not be first scoring option n jackin up shots like his plzes

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    I thought Rasho played well in very limited minutes, and Nazr barely saw the floor.

    Rasho: 16 minutes, 3-6 shooting, 6 pts, 5 rebounds (3 off), 1 steal, 1 TO
    Rasho allowed the Mavs position on the boards and wasn't up to par on his rotation. He got some extra time because he was the only other player besides Bruce to show anything close to an ability to guard Dirk.

    Nazr held on to the ball once.

    Oberto could start, but just for a change, not merit.

    Annoying, but looks like it may be this way for awhile.

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    TwoHand,

    The Mavs have just as much talent up and down their roster as the Spurs do (they even have a few pieces I wish we had - like Howard).

    And in Avery they have a coach who is more adept at thinking out of the box. This is a different Mavs team than we have been able to count on pissing away their season in years past.

    Avery is the catalyst for that.

    And as far as HCA goes, Dallas is better than all but probably 4-5 teams in the league, so they will be racking up the wins as well.

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    gino missed alot of shots, finley didnt show up, nve was abused on the court, and tim duncan our team mvp only has 12 touches?

    this tony parker bs , i dont care if his shot is improving, he should not be first scoring option n jackin up shots like his plzes
    I'd agree if Tony wasn't shooting 62% from the floor.

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    I'm coming back to this thread to go further.

    This loss is on Pop.

    The subs utions sucked all night. It looked like a ing preseason game. How many different combinations of players can you come up with in a night? I think Pop found out tonight.

    And Pop has always switched the Dallas pick and roll. ALWAYS. Well tonight Dirk is ing on, and switching a PG onto Dirk is pretty much giving them an automatic basket every ing time.

    Yeah, I'm a Pophater, and some will throw that card out there, you all.

    It's hard for players to get in any kind of a rhythm when they have a new guy standing next to them after 2 minutes, and leaving Nick in there while Devin torched him and turned a tie game into a 20 point lead was asinine.

    And to top it all off, I'm gonna hear about it all day long Monday from my POS Dallas Maverick loving co-workers.

    Thanks for nothing Pop. Time to go get drunk.



















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    If you noticed, he used a lot of the same patterns vrs the Cavs, it was just wayyy less affective. No big deal. After 20 games or so things will be running smoothly I bet.

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    Don't underestimate the Mavs, this is the first year in a while they don't have to deal with any major offseason trades/signings and Avery's a good coach. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mavs finish with one of the top three or four records in the West.
    Avery hasn't coached nearly enough games to know whether he's a good coach or not yet. And I'll say it again, if the team we have this year can't avoid a close race with the Mavs for HCA then something will really be wrong. The Mavs are a good team but these Spurs should (barring injury) be a great team.

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    TwoHand,

    The Mavs have just as much talent up and down their roster as the Spurs do (they even have a few pieces I wish we had - like Howard).
    Um, no. Lets not go overboard here. The Spurs are both more talented and more experienced from top to bottom.

    And in Avery they have a coach who is more adept at thinking out of the box. This is a different Mavs team than we have been able to count on pissing away their season in years past.

    Avery is the catalyst for that.

    And as far as HCA goes, Dallas is better than all but probably 4-5 teams in the league, so they will be racking up the wins as well.
    That is yet to be seen. Avery hasn't nearly coached enough games for his record to be statistically significant.

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    Avery hasn't coached nearly enough games to know whether he's a good coach or not yet. And I'll say it again, if the team we have this year can't avoid a close race with the Mavs for HCA then something will really be wrong. The Mavs are a good team but these Spurs should (barring injury) be a great team.
    If the Mavs aren't going to give us compe ion, who is? Or are you one of those people who thinks we're going to finish way out in front of everyone else? And I'll say it, Avery's a good coach. He might as well have been coaching the Mavs most of last year and he's done a good job so far this year. You don't pull the reins from Don Nelson to give them to some scrub who doesn't know what he's doing.

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    AHF has to be the most predictable person alive.

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    And in Avery they have a coach who is more adept at thinking out of the box. This is a different Mavs team than we have been able to count on pissing away their season in years past.
    Compared to who?

    Avery ing sucks. What did he do in the playoffs last year? He turned the Mavs into a piece of team that was better off taking a pick in the lottery.

    Game 3 of the regular season doesn't mean .

    Pop should be now convinced. Beno, Rasho and Nazr ing suck.

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    That is yet to be seen. Avery hasn't nearly coached enough games for his record to be statistically significant.
    Hmm, he's beat us by an average of 25 the last two meetings.

    Also, no one has caught on to all of my second post yet.... y'all are missing something

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    If the Mavs aren't going to give us compe ion, who is? Or are you one of those people who thinks we're going to finish way out in front of everyone else?
    Forgive me if you think I'm being an optimist by thinking a team that just came off a spectacular championship run and kept its core intact while adding quality vets is reason to think they'll improve.

    And I'll say it, Avery's a good coach.
    You can say it but I'm sorry that you just have very little hard evidence to back it up with.

    He might as well have been coaching the Mavs most of last year and he's done a good job so far this year. You don't pull the reins from Don Nelson to give them to some scrub who doesn't know what he's doing.
    Are you saying that Cuban knows what he's doing when it comes to making basketball decisions? Lets face it, Nellie had a lot of time to get things done with the Mavs and he came up short many times over. Handing the reins over to Johnson may or may not have been prudent but letting Nellie continue to run that team wasn't doing them any favors.

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    JSpeaking of weird lineups Casey broke out the first effective hree point guard lineup since, what, Phoenix back in the KJ days? Jaric, AC and Alfre Woodard.

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    Hmm, he's beat us by an average of 25 the last two meetings.

    Also, no one has caught on to all of my second post yet.... y'all are missing something
    Can you elaborate a bit on the cir stances behind the last game we lost to them before tonight or was that omitted for a reason?

    What's the Mavs' record against us outside of the regular season these past years?

    C'mon Aggie, I know you're agitated but this is November, remember?







    PS - Somewhere, Kori is laughing.

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    It wasn't omitted for a reason, I was just lazy.

    PS, from page 1, my second post...

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    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28195



    I'm actually in a good mood, I won $300 off my Ags tonight.

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    Forgive me if you think I'm being an optimist by thinking a team that just came off a spectacular championship run and kept its core intact while adding quality vets is reason to think they'll improve.
    I think it's a bit too optimistic to assume we won't be having any compe ion for home court advantage and too early to exclude the Mavericks from the teams we might be competing with. We haven't improved enough to assume we're going to run away with it.

    And Cuban wasn't the one making the decision. Nellie stepped aside. Whether you like Nellie or not, he's still a damn good basketball coach and if he recognized enough potential in Avery to step aside for him, I respect that. Avery also did a lot of the work coaching the Mavs before Nellie resigned.

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    Hey hey hey guys calm down. This game was thrown to thank Mark Cuban for letting Finley sign for us. The writing was on the wall already. Pop threw the game. It was part of the deal to let Finley sign with us. Pop was just his usual early season horsing around with his rotations. Im in this for the long run. This is a league not a knockout system. There are 79 more games to go so let up on the slamming.

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    I wondered about that too. Those subs ution patterns were strange. Tony was unstoppable tonight, but Pop chose to go with Nick much longer than he probably should have. No way Nick could keep up with Devin Harris.

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    show me the post that proves that...................
    Check all of my posts in the "Call it; 5 game road tip" thread.

    You must have me confused with someone else.

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    aggie, did you take tech and the spread? my friends who went to vegas were drooling on that sure money...

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