Reply With QuoteDon't be so sure.
Thus my statement saying that I like how things have played out so far this summer.
I'm just glad that Jason Kidd didn't make his way down here, or J O'neal.
Don't be so sure.
With the Holting Pattern, Pop made the decision to play our young athletic guys this past season with not much to lose. It turns out that decision was a big key to winning the le.
The underlying purpose of the holting pattern was a success.
The purpose of the HP wasnt to get a top flight fa here...
It was to keep Tim.
The decision was made that it was more likely TD would stay if we could clear 16 mil and let him chose a teammate, than the alternative which was Payton, Spree, SAR, ect, ect.
While we didnt get Tims choice (kidd) the HP did produce TP, Manu, Jax and most importantly a le.
So the end purpose was reached...Tim signing a long term extension.
Exactly, goliath.
the only failure in the holting pattern was GW predictions we would not win le without payton or artest, which if remember correctly have NOT come true.
Boo Hoo, neither Gary nor Ron is a Spur.
Hey GW, we just won the fuking le. The holting pattern was setup to get big name FA and win le. well we didn't need a GD big name FA to win. holting pattern is history move on.
to say that one does not effect the other is just plain stupid.
Go Spurs...
What a bunch of desperate idiots.
You see the writing on the wall finally that the Holt-ing Pattern may not garner us a superstar after all, so now you want to say that because we cleared all this cap space, it allowed us to win the le this season.
Incredible.
Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
I sleep in under my SAN ANTONIO SPURS 2003 CHAMPIONSHIP blanket, which does not have a picture of artest or payton on it.
Ghost, we're all right.
You're wrong.
Sucks doesn't it?
Just go, Ghost. Just go.
I see by GWs logic
holting pattern = getting big star FA = chance to win le
not
holting pattern = winning le
I can see how the two are different. what ever it takes to justify GWs take
I thought the ends to the means
holting pattern = winning le + chance to win more
nothing to do with big name FA, but then again GW thinks
must have 2-4 big stars = winning le
so I can see were he thinks he is right.
GW, if you want to worship big stars follow allas or lakers, the two teams who continuously do what you want.
me really thinks
GW like to whine when he doesn't get his way = truth
Go Spurs...
key words there ghost are "may not."
if you were a fan of any other team, you'd probobaly
considering we're coming off a championship and we have no idea how this free agency will shake out when all is said and done.
So if the deals you wanted were made, what would be the difference....artest under contract today with the spurs and some cash to go after a bigman?
not much difference from rasho and a shooter...which is worst case scenario....
The premise of GhostWhiner and GhostWhiner Jr's complaints about the Spurs strategy is that the Spurs were not doing what it took to win a championship in the intervening two seasons prior to the summer of 2003. For GhostWhiner Jr this was important because he wanted to see his hero David Robinson go out with another championship.
They thought a rebuilding strategy accompanied by a goal of significant cap flexibility in the summer of 2003 to address the retirement of David Robinson was entirely the wrong way to go.
Now all GhostWhiner has left is that 'winning a championship was not a part of the Spurs rebuilding strategy.' That is an idiotic view.
adidas the Holt-ing pattern was to have cap space to re-tool after the retirement of DR. The hope was to get a superstar, namely Kidd (thank God we didn't), O'Neal, Brand. There was no guarantee and we didn't but the money is still there to re-tool as best as can. Unless you can show moves that would have been better in the interim then you can't fault the plan. SAR was talked about but not likely a reality and the Spurs wouldn't have gone for it probably. In retrospectt if that deal was true (unlikely) and nothing better comes along you can fault the plan. Ghosts Payton, Artest ramblings. No thanks.
In the meantime we have the Lakers Short-term Lease Program. What's Kobe going to do next year as a FA with Payton and Malone long gone with or without ring, and MLE and LLE to restock with. I doubt Shaq's going to be able to get on his knees and beg KG, Brand and Odom to come work for chump change.
GW represents what's wrong with NBA basketball today. In his mind a player like Larry Bird would be crap compared to a Dominique Wilkins.
Basketball is a team sport, the Spurs showed that last season.
The Holtting pattern has been a huge success. The Spurs have a team with players who are loyal (Tim and Jax have showed it this summer), young, talented and with lots of upside. They have the chance to keep adding talent and they have an organization and a system that will make more championships a very possible accomplishment.
I guess that must suck...
Pic, since Malone is taking the LLE this year there will be no LLE next year for LA.
Yes, Archie, I was critical that the Spurs seemed to refuse deals simply because it violated the Fantasy Summer of 2003 plan. I NEVER said that we weren't doing enough to win a le. In fact, I have said for the last two years that we could win the le, and had the talent to do it. I was one of about three people who said that and got laughed at last October. If I remember correctly, you were not one of those three.The premise of GhostWhiner and GhostWhiner Jr's complaints about the Spurs strategy is that the Spurs were not doing what it took to win a championship in the intervening two seasons prior to the summer of 2003. For GhostWhiner Jr this was important because he wanted to see his hero David Robinson go out with another championship. -Archie
I think we should've strongly considered the trade for Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Should we have pulled the trigger? Not necessarily, but the thing that ticked me off was that the Spurs seemed to dismiss it solely based on the contract. Perhaps they did look at it, and decided to refuse the trade because it didn't fit our personnel neeeds. I can live with that, but I think many of you would be ecstatic to get a player of Shareef's calibur at this point.
Yes, I did want to see David go out with a le. He's given so much to the city and to the franchise, and it was quite a blessing that it turned out the way it did. However, any moves we made prior to this summer would've still not made up for the crappy decisions made by management his first six or so years in the league.
As far as the Holting Pattern goes, I have to say that it has partly been a success. Yes, we won the le, but the objective of the Holting Pattern was to put ourselves in position to sign some big free agents. If you could look back at some of my posts from other forums, you would see that my major concern with this whole plan was our ability to actually sign these free agents. It's just so risky putting all of your eggs in one basket, and we're seeing that fact proven right now.
If Pop and R.C. were given truth serum, they would probably tell you that they weren't planning on winning the le this year - or even concerned with it. Biding time until this summer to sign a few big free agents was their goal, and in that sense the Holting Pattern was a success.
Hopefully Tim knows we're trying, and can remember that when he's going at it alone on the frontline next year.
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I think we should've strongly considered the trade for Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Should we have pulled the trigger?
That wasn't a real offer. If anything it was a DG special.
I thought there was one camp that said the Spurs couldn't win without getting a young superstar FA to go besides Tim, and another that said, no they need to make trades to get older superstars so they can win before David retires.
The Spurs proved both camps wrong, so let's just enjoy the championship and stop arguing about it.
The point of this three-year plan was to keep Tim and win a championship. It was not accomplished via the means they had planned, but it happened.
Sometimes serendipity is the engine of success. Fate smiled on us. Cheers. :queen
Popovich himself said that he was surprised that the Spurs won the le in his post-Finals press conference.
The Holt-ing Pattern was designed not to win in the 2002-03 season, but to get a star this summer to win in the 2003-04 season.
Get a grip.
Who cares what it was "designed" to do? They won a damn le. Stop being so damn miserable.
That's fine, then, Marcus. It's irritating that reasonably intelligent posters here are trying to spin it that clearing cap space for the summer of 2003 is the reason why we won a le last year.
That's not true.
Winning the le does soften the blow of the Holt-ing Pattern failing to bring in a star this summer, though.
Imagine if we were eliminated by the Lakers per usual or a healthy Kings team as most realistic fans figured.
How miserable would we be if the Holt-ing Pattern resulted in Rasho Nesterovic?
Question.
There you go again. It was their decision to develop the young talent which was a significant part of their path to a championship. I might add that you've wanted them to damn the consequences and play young players for quite some time now...well, at least you used to want that.
whether indirectly or directly the result, it WAS the result of the personal moves over the past 2 years.
Ghost, it galls you that they didn't do it your way. You've spent the past year and a half saying how the Spurs weren't doing everything they could to win because they weren't running the show the way you think it should be run.
You can't simply plug in stars and expect a championship, look at Portland. Every championship over the past 12 years have involved a team with key role players, which is what the spurs built while keeping cap flexibility.
I'm so sick of hearing that the spurs weren't doing everything to win. They were doing everything to win over the next decade, not simply over 2 seasons.
Ghost!!!!! Has the point that Manu, Jax and TP benefited greatly this past year because of your so-called "Holting pattern" escaped you entirely??? If we had brought in some vets, then do you agree that those 3 players would have spent too much time on the bench wasting away a valuble learning experience??? Do you not see the value of trial by fire? These players will all be so much better this year because Pop let them develope by playing valuble minutes. Pop won coach of the year because he changed his ways and let the youngsters play the lion's share of the season and they turned into very good players and are may very well be on the way to s om. Only a moron would not see the benefit here of what went down last year. The Championship was a surprise icing on the cake.
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