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I would have to watch it closely. It seems he is holding the ball longer to trick people to think he stopped his dribble and than goes by the player. Sneaky stuff like that I remember.
theres palming and theres blatant palming.
some if it is in fact impossible to avoid due to the sheer size of the average players hands.
some of it is just crap
I would have to watch it closely. It seems he is holding the ball longer to trick people to think he stopped his dribble and than goes by the player. Sneaky stuff like that I remember.
Also another problem in the league is illegal picks. I see that all the time. Yao got away with a load of moving picks last year against Dallas.
Okay, i'm french and a big fan of tony but you can't say parke ris better than Billups ...
During the regular saison, stats are comparable but billups has more experience, best shot and defense ... his taller and stronger too ... no doubt is a theorical better choice but does it match with others teams ?
because he took his time before find the right team and improve his game ... so he's the go to guy with pistons but with spurs i think gino and duncan would shadow him ... and as parker in playoff, he would become the 3rd option ...
I'm not sure my english was clear ... but at least i try ...
Stf.
I think physically its a wash, sure Chauncey is stronger, but Tony is quicker. Tony's quickness is as much an advantage as Chauncey stregnth if not more. I mean how often can you post up as a PG anyway?
Still at this stage I think Chauncey is the better player, Parker still needs to work on his playmaking/jumpshot. Hios defense is underrated and his interior finish is the best for a pg bar none.
Chauncey however has the complete package, a physical gift: streggnth, outside shot, defense as well as the ability to finish in the paint. Finally he can create for others and run a team with a combination of tempo control, passing and leadership.
And that's why Billups is better than Parker IMO
"tp in game 7 shut him down"
typical ducks BS.
Bruce guarded Chauncey in Game7 4th qtr because Tony really couldn't handle Chauncey completely.
I personally think Allen Iverson finishes better in the interior than Tony Parker, but that's just me. Allen Iverson "absorbs" hits and still finishes close to the rim. Tony Parker "avoids" hits close to the rim by using the floater. I just think A.I. is better in this regard. Parker is close behind.
Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Stephon Marbury among others. A lot of players palm the ball.
Oh, and for the record, palming the ball is not the same as travelling. Rip travels with the ball all the time. He doesn't get called for it very often either.
Truth is a lot of players in the league get away with things that are borderline in violation of the rules. Patrick Ewing used to travel when he did his hop step into the lane. Jordan got away with offensive push-offs all the time. Tim Hardaway used to palm the ball all the time.
Your argument is silly because if a player is pushing or bending the rules BUT IS GETTING AWAY WITH IT, then that player should by all means use that as an advantage. The argument is not moot. You just don't want to give a relevant and direct argument on Parker's behalf. The players play the game how it's called. If the referees decide to call it a certain way, the players should play under those interpretations.
How about an argument that Bruce Bowen really isn't really a good defensive player because he clutches shorts and taps elbows on jumpshots but gets away with it? HE GETS AWAY WITH IT, and bends the rules to his advantage. If you think Chauncey violates the rules because he palms the ball all the time but gets away with it, at least by that logic, agree that Bruce Bowen is not a good defensive player because he gets away with clutching and grabbing and fouling.
I don't feel that way, but I'd sure like to hear a Spurs fan admit that.
I think that's why AI is constantly playing through injuries as well though. AI gets injured a lot, he is tough enough to play through it, but I'll take a Tony Parker who makes the shot, avoids the hit, and stays healthy.
It's easier for Parker because the Spurs have a lot more scoring options. Parker sometimes avoids the shot altogether. He can afford to do that because there is Duncan and Manu, as well as quality scorers from the bench like Finley, NVE and Barry.
I noticed that Ginobili took a few bumps in the playoffs last season as well, when the Spurs needed a basket.
Billups is far better than Parker - this is not even a fair comparison -- you are talking a tier 1 point guard in Billups compared to a tier 2 point guard at best in Parker.
Here's a little stat form 82games.com
Zone 15: At the rim
Most attempts Tm Player FGM FGA FG%
PHI Iverson 313 539 .581
MIA Wade 256 481 .532
SA Parker 297 457 .650
NY Marbury 265 432 .613
CLE James 258 410 .629
Most accurate (Min 125 Att) Tm Player FGM FGA FG%
ORL Hill 163 219 .744
MIN Szczerbiak 132 185 .714
BOS Blount 100 140 .714
DEN Miller 207 292 .709
SEA Daniels 95 134 .709
Zone 16: Dunks
Most attempts Tm Player FGM FGA FG%
MIA O'Neal 258 273 .945
PHO Stoudemire 238 261 .912
DEN Martin 166 180 .922
ORL Howard 161 172 .936
PHO Marion 143 152 .941
Most accurate (Min 50 Att) Tm Player FGM FGA FG%
CLE James 128 130 .985
BOS Davis 59 60 .983
UTA Boozer 54 55 .982
LAC Brand 73 75 .975
DEN Johnson 61 63 .968
These are the glamour zones -- the players who can get to the rim for layups and dunks are generally going to be your superstars: Iverson, LeBron, Wade, Shaq, Stoudemire. Let's not overlook the guys who may not get there as often but can finish when they do, like Grant Hill and his league leading zone 15 percentage.
If you add the at the rim layups and dunk attempts together, the league leaders are:
1. Shaq
2. Stoudemire
3. Wade
4. Iverson
5. LeBron
6. Parker
7. Anthony
8. Marion
9. Marbury
10. J-Rich
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Close, very close. Parker's amazing at or near the rim when you consider that he has zero hops. Look at the company he's keeping.
do these stats include breakway layups and fast break i.e. 3 on 1 etc.. attempts ? I would bet they do.
Currently Billups > TP but let's see if TP can keep up his good performances!
Dwayne Wade.
For once I agree with you.
I know, I was thinking the same thing.
Right now? Billups>>Parker. Even I'm not that much of a homer.
Chauncey has a Finals MVP trophy, Parker doesn't.
Right now, right now?
It's not even close. Parker is avg 22.6 pts with 58% shooting, and 5.8 assists.
Billups is avg. 13.8 pts with 37% shooting (?!?), and 8.8 assists.
At this early stage of the season, you could easily make the case that Parker is playing better than Billups.
He certainly is shooting better....
it has been 5 games dude and -that is actually not a statistic in his favor being that he is the point guard on a team that he should be the 3rd option at best - He is averaging more than TD and Ginobili right now. Not a good thing since he has taken more shots. - you know the whole point guard concept to pass and set up players to score - the Spurs offense doesn't really require a scoring PG.
I mean off that philosophy Anthony Carter, Jiri Welsch, Josh Childress, Brian Cook, Fransisco Elson, Earl Watson and Darius Songalia are the best 3 point shooters in the league.
If Parker shoots 58 percent all season...
You would honestly take TP over AI??????????
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