Reply With QuotePJ is not going to "retire at any second." Ridiculous.
I hope you're right timvp but everything I've seen tells me otherwise.
PJ is not going to "retire at any second." Ridiculous.
Initially I was leaning on your side Marcus but knowing that Kori has seen him up close and personal in LA, I'm going to give her and timvp the benefit of the doubt.
Besides, if the alternative is Rasho, I'll take some Kandi any day.
AHF
AHF I don't believe you have heard Kori's POV on the Kandi man yet.
The older players get, the more prevelant career ending injuries are. PJ is six years older than Kandi.
Kandi has better numbers and size than anyone else available.
I think Kandi could go either way, but it's going to be to an extreme degree. Either he comes to San Antonio, and does very well. Or he comes to San Antonio, and becomes the biggest bust since Darin Jackson. I just don't see him being in the middle ground in terms of performance. It's a risk, but at this point, it might be a worthwhile risk.
Timvp - I recall your version of Kandi's stats as being accurate. He had a big downturn in stats after he returned form his injury as a lame duck player.
Or he comes to San Antonio, and becomes the biggest bust since Darin Jackson.
Good ole Darin.
My point of view on Kandi is cloudy.
The guy has the body to be a force at center next to Duncan. He can bang with the biggest men in the league. He has a decent jumper from the top of the key. He can't go left (but that's better than 3 years ago when he couldn't go left or right). He can board and block when he wants to.
But I've seen him refuse to run back down the court on defense on more occasions than I can count. He hates the weight room and drills.
He's a perennial Lazy Man of the Year Kandidate, but that might be fault of the system.
He began playing basketball later in life than most players. He played at University of Pacific in the Big West Conference (horrible basketball -- I've seen better at pick up games at Trinity). And his pro career has been with the worst sports franchise in the history of the universe.
I have a feeling that under Pop and next to Duncan, he could emerge as a solid contributor, but it's risky.
I'm glad it's Pop/RC's decision not mine.
I have no information right now as to how much the Spurs have been discussin Kandi as an option.
I'll find out today if I can.
Signing Kandi moves Tim off of the blocks, permanently. Kandi can play nowhere else. He has no real jumper to speak of. At least PJ Brown has one.
The way that most of you feel about Rasho? I feel that about Kandi. I'd rather sign NO ONE.
I feel like vomiting.
Good points, Princess.
Olowokandi and Duncan would dominate the boards.
after the news of the day this thread should make your head and tummy hurt... the lakers fill their needs with 2 aging all stars that are still productive for 6.4 million... we got 16 million and we're talking about "the kandiman"?
if a whole bunch of bee's attacked the front office and kandi at the signing / news conference... it would be fitting.
but anyway, i'd take the guy in a heartbeat because he's probably the only true center worth anything thats left out there... he has good hands and his size alone (along with duncan's) would be worth it... he'd probably up all his averages playing next to duncan who's become a great passing bigman when doubled. (not like brand is in la) and he'd be even more motivated to raise his level of defense playing in the spurs system.
if he's healthy and willing, i think he should be the guy they go after... especially considering your backup power forward is undersized. (get as much size as you can in the west)
I pegged Olowokandi as a realistic replacement for Olowokandi about a year and a half ago. I wasn't counting on a superstar coming this summer. It's just very difficult to get superstars to leave their current teams these days.
Olowokandi represents a de-valued, underappreciated prototypical center who we could get for signifigantly less than the max.
Posters here and at the old Forum have charecterized him incorrectly, misjudged how much it would cost to get him and denied that it would ever come to that.
He's younger, taller and will emerge as a better pro than Brown who is a half a dozen years older.
'Kandi put up better numbers than Robinson last year and should do even better this year healthy and de-Clippered in the system of SPURS BASKETBALL.
Kandi at the very least needs to be brought in for an interview and a tour of the sites.
If he is going to take some 8 million...you need to seriously explore that possibility.
Kandi>>>Rasho
Ghost, dont act like you weren't Pro-Kidd and thought he was going to sign here.
If the Spurs wine and dine Olowokandi, they might be able to get him for around $6-7M.
He says he wants to win.
So did _ason Kidd...He says he wants to win.
timvp, everyone says they want to win.. up until the point where they sign a fat contract for a team.
with that being said... Olowakandi wouldn't be a bad pickup if he were within that price range
timvp, I have admitted a dozen times today that I felt the urgency for Kidd after the Lakers got Payton and Malone and people here convinced me we could get Kidd and a center.
I don't think Kidd is coming anymore. Do you?
Why don't you admit that I was pumping up Olowokandi over a year ago at Dusty's place while most people blasted me and insisted a superstar was coming.
Don't act like you were ahead of the curve and I was clueless about 'Kandi.
It was until recently that you thought 'Kandi was worth settling on.
Many people like [DocE insisted he would get the max elsewhere.
Archie thinks he's dogsh1t.
Your own partna KoriEllis isn't fond of Brand. Or did she come around now, too?
Question.
P.S.
I'm not trying to debate you here, timmy. I'm glad you're officially on the Kandiwagon. I figured it would come to this, although for a second there, I really thought we were getting Kidd and a center.
was not he quoted in the denver paper he thought noone is worth 120 million he was looking for around a 6-7 million deal?
Don't believe what players say in the paper. Kandi and his agent would IMMEDIATELY take any Spurs offer to the Nugs, who must be terrified right now after a world champion with caproom got snubbed. Kiki is already on record as saying...
WE MAY HAVE TO OVERPAY
Kandi's the only guy available who can block shots and stay in a game single covering Shaq.
It's a gamble but we've seen what a motivated Kandi can do. I think he'd be much more motivated in a non-basket case organization like the Spurs.
The only other thing I could think for getting a decent center is trading some space to GS for Foyle or Dampier, but Kandi is more complete than either (!) and we'd likely have to take on some Warrior flotsam as well (though Sura or Fortson wouldn't be the worst that could happen).
timvp, I have admitted a dozen times today that I felt the urgency for Kidd after the Lakers got Payton and Malone and people here convinced me we could get Kidd and a center.
See Ghost, you change your mind like a skittish little . Payton & Malone are going to be in LA for one year. WTF should that automatically change what you think should be the Spurs' long term focus? That makes no sense whatsoever.
I agree Timvp
I think Kandi would thrive in our system. Hes played for Pacific and the Clips, not exactly b-ball meccas.
Noone cares on the Clips. He lags back on d here, pop will rip him a new one. He'll get his ass parked on the bench like Malik did early this year. I think with Pop, the players we have around him, and the demands all of them would put on him wouyld turn him into a top 5 center.
Remember, we are the orginization that makes players out of crap
ie: Parker-last pick
Malik - cut
Jackson (both Jaren and Stephen) - cut
AJ - cut
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