Turnover of roster leads to sloppiness for Spurs

[SpursWoman]

Liar...

Oh, sweet Jesus....it looks like he's about to vomit in my mouth. :vomit :vomit

[Spurminator]

Ever seen South Park? You know what happens when Wendy kisses Stan?

[Shelly]

Oh, sweet Jesus....it looks like he's about to vomit in my mouth. :vomit :vomit

Oh, gross!

We need more holidays. SpursTalk is on a roll today.

[SpursWoman]

[Useruser666]

What holiday? I'm at work!

I've seen that Rasho CPR pick before.

[sprrs]

That made no sense.

It made plenty of sense. I would rather listen to all those girls praise Rasho than you criticize the ownership. At least they're supporting their Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

It made plenty of sense. I would rather listen to all those girls praise Rasho than you criticize the ownership. At least they're supporting their Spurs.

Whaaa?

This isn't spurs.com.

[1Parker1]

MB, Angel_luv and Rashofan are sincerely insulted by your insensitive comments regarding their future husband

[Bruno]

MB, Angel_luv and Rashofan are sincerely insulted by your insensitive comments regarding their future husband

It's jealousy.
A lot of people bash Rasho only because they are envious of his sex appeal.
It take time to understand that nobody can't compete against him.
The more I see him the more I love him : Am I gay or is it only Rasho strange power that disturb me ? I'm completly lost.

[sprrs]

Whaaa?

This isn't spurs.com.

Whatever. Keep on with your pointless ramblings which will accomplish absolutely nothing.

[Mr. Body]

It's amazing how much Marcus Bryant drives down the discourse on this board.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yet another prime Mr. Body contribution. I'm glad you hate my opinions so. Too bad you can't back up yours and instead choose to follow me around like a lost puppy dog in this forum.

[ambchang]

The selection has somewhat narrowed since the offseason. But you still have guys like GRobinson and GLynch available.

Probably 1 year at the vet's min for a player with 10+ yrs of experience. So $1 mil or so, prorated for the number of games left in the season, plus whatever foregone lux tax distributions there would be. The league also picks up a portion of that minimum salary, so the Spurs wouldn't pay the full salary.

Yeah, at 90% and 95% confidence levels. Anyways, it shouldn't be that hard to see that if you have a swingman rotation with 3 of the 4 guys you were carrying were older and some of them had injury problems before that you might need a little more depth.

I don't see how some of you think this is something extravagant or something the Spurs have not done before. They carried 6 swingmen last season.

Now they are starting NVE at the 2, playing TP 40+ minutes and instead of letting a hurt Manu rest they are forced to play him. This is ridiculous, especially when you consider the cost of having what had been standard swingman depth in SA.

But whatever, go ahead and stick your heads in the sand and chatter about really important , like how cute Radoslav is or how Manu cut his hair or whatever.

So your solution of negating the probability of having 4 swingmen (that's the 2 and 3 positions) injured is to considering Glenn Robinson and George Lynch, who must be a million years old and have a history of being injured, and your argument for a need of > 4 swingmen on the roster is age and injury history?

Now let's look at other team's roster and see how many of them career 4 quality swingmen. By "quality" I mean to say that players who are at least as good as Glenn Robinson or George Lynch:
Atlanta: Josh Childress, Al Harrington, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith. All extremely inexperienced. Their team suck
Boston: Paul Pierce, Ricky Davis, Gerald Green, Delonte West and maybe Tony Allen
Charlotte: Gerald Wallace, Kareem Rush. Their team suck too.
Chicago: Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Andrews Nocioni, Eric Piatkowski.
Cleveland: LeBron James, Larry Hughes, Luke Jackson, Ira Newble, Shasha Pavlovic (5 swing)
Dallas: Doug Christie, Marquis Daniels, Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse.
Denver: Carmelo Anthony, DerMarr Johnson, Voshon Lenard, Bryan Russell
Detroit: Carlos Delfino, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince.
GS: Calbert Cheaney, Mike Dunleavy, Mickael Pietrus, Jason Richardson
Houston: T-Mac, Derek Anderson, Jon Barry, Dion Glover, Bob Sura (5 swing)
Indiana: Ron Artest, J Bender, Steve Jax, Fred Jones
LA Clips: Maggette, Mobley, Quinton Ross
LA Lakers: Kobe, Devean George, McKie, Smush Parker, Sasha Vujacic (5 swing)
Memphis: Battier, Dahntay Jones, Eddie Jones, Mike Miller
Miami: Shadon Anderson, Jason Kapono, James Posey, Dwayne Wade
Milwaukee: Redd, Simmons, Jiri Welsch
Minnesota: Hassell, Jaric, McCants, Szczerbiak.
New Jersey: Carter, Jefferson, Jeff McInnis, Lamond Murray
NY: Trevor Ariza, Anfernee Hardaway, Q Richardson, Jamal Crawford.
NO: Rasual Butler, Desmond Mason, Bostjan Nachbar, JR Smith
Orlando: Stacey Augmon, Steve Francis, DeShawn Stevenson, Hedo Turkoglu
Philly: Andre Iguodala, Allen Iverson, Kyle Korver, Lee Nailon, John Salmons (5 swing)
Phoenix: Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, James Jones, Shawn Marion
Portland: Juan Dixon, Darius Miles, Ruben Patterson, Martell Webster
Sacramento: Peja Stojakovic, Bonzi Wells, Corliss Williamson (mostly inside, but still, I will just take him)
Seattle: Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Ronald Murray, Damien Wilkins
Toronto: Jalen Rose, Joey Graham, Mo Pete
Utah: Devin Brown, Giricek, Matt Harpring, Kirilenko,
Washington: Arenas, Butler, Antonio Daniels, Jeffries

Out of 29 other teams, only TWO teams have >4 swing, Cleveland and Houston, and Houston has 5 because they knew they don't have Bob Sura coming into the season, and I am really stretching the meaning of "quality" when I include Luke Jackson in the Cleveland team. Also, you can see that most team have 4, but then, again, I stretched the meaning of quality.
In conclusion, it is unusual, to say the least, to spend so much resources at the wing when there are other positions to worry about, ESPECIALLY when you are an inside oriented team that already has one all-star, one all defensive, one former all-star, and one former dunk champ at the wing positions.

EDIT: I missed a few teams the first time around, so I will add them in, it turned out there are 4 teams, and I missed the Lakers and Philly, which are both donut teams.
Besides, it's arguable whether Lee Nailon, John Salmons, McKie and Smush Parker are quality players. But you get my point. It is just not common to carry that many.

[Marcus Bryant]

How many of those teams are carrying only 4 swings, regardless of "quality"? That's the issue here.

Also, must the Spurs only do what is common?

[ambchang]

How many of those teams are carrying only 4 swings, regardless of "quality"? That's the issue here.

Also, must the Spurs only do what is common?

Why would the Spurs go out and get swings of minimal quality? They can just sign one up from the CBA if need be. And not surprisingly, a large group of those teams only have 4 swings. The Spurs have priorities to set, why get an insurance plan right now when you can get it later when there is actually a need for it.
And the Spurs don't necessarily have to do the common thing, but given that there are limited resources, the Spurs should concentrate on the big picture, and having 4 starter quality swing on your roster is more than enough.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why didn't they before the start of the season? They signed Sanders after 2 of their 4 swings went down and now they are playing a F'ed up rotation. They had DBrown and LJ3 to round out their swing depth last season and DBrown ended up replacing Barry as the first swing off the bench for a good part of the season.

Wouldn't Lynch or GRobinson be a good addition to this team? You have Barry and Finley out with injuries of the persistent nagging type, you have Manu playing hurt and you have a messed up rotation. I don't believe Lynch or Robinson would require more than a 1 year, minimum contract. I don't see the rationale for not having depth at that position, even if it's off the young, inexperienced variety.

[ambchang]

Why didn't they before the start of the season? They signed Sanders after 2 of their 4 swings went down and now they are playing a F'ed up rotation. They had DBrown and LJ3 to round out their swing depth last season and DBrown ended up replacing Barry as the first swing off the bench for a good part of the season.

Wouldn't Lynch or GRobinson be a good addition to this team? You have Barry and Finley out with injuries of the persistent nagging type, you have Manu playing hurt and you have a messed up rotation. I don't believe Lynch or Robinson would require more than a 1 year, minimum contract. I don't see the rationale for not having depth at that position, even if it's off the young, inexperienced variety.

Why would they have to sign before the start of the season. 4 quality swings are plenty, whoever backup they sign for is not worth a couple of million that Utah paid Devin Brown.
So they went sign Sanders, having 4 quality swings is (or should this are ...) depth! Besides, Van Exel, with his shooter mentality could be a make shift 2, what's wrong with that?