Demar DeRozan was robbed

[LurkingSpursFan]

I thought Demar was robbed of money or jewellery...

[daslicer]

Some of these makeup games should have been during this period instead of having an all-star game.

However, I do agree with the people saying DeRozan should have gotten in. This only hurts the Spurs in the long run. What free agent all-star level type of player would want to come here if there is a lesser chance of him making the all-star game simply due to having 'Spurs' written on his jersey. Pop and the higher ups in Spurs organization really should be going off about this and kicking up a fuss about it defending their player getting ripped off.

Agreed. Obviously I didn't agree with Kawhi forcing his way out of SA but part of the reason why he wanted out was he was tired of being Pop's shadows and being disrespected. For example a lot of dumbasses in the media believed when he was playing for the Spurs that he was only great because of Pop's system and not because of his individual talent. He should easily been in the running for the MVP in '17 but was discounted because in the media's eyes he was a system player.

Lamracus also ended up getting ed over being a Spur. Lamarcus sacrificed his numbers to help the Spurs get a winning record in '17 but got snubbed for the AS game with Draymond and Deandre Jordan getting picked over him. This caused Lamarcus to pout and want to get traded.

What a lot of spur fans don't understand in the long run guys are going to get fed up with sacrificing their numbers for winning if they are not going to get rewarded for it which means going to the all-star game, getting all-nba selections and awards. Spurs and Pop have to push harder for their players to get recognition. Part of me believes Pop enjoys getting all the credit hence why he's not willing to fight for his players to get respect. There are a lot of dumbass casual fans on other message boards believe Pop is the reason for the Spurs winning this year and not the players. This perception really hurts the players on the Spurs.

[daslicer]

So every other playoff team in the west deserves an all star except us? Makes zero sense. This is the type of stuff that Pop has to bring up and fight for his guys. RC too. It sounds dumb but it’s important in the long run

Agreed but Pop is in it for his own glory. He enjoys getting all of the credit so Demar getting snubbed isn't going to bother him. The problem like you said in the long run it's going to irk guys who play here when they are asked to sacrifice their numbers to win but not get rewarded for it which is getting selected for the all-star game,all-nba teams, and being in the running for NBA awards such as MVP, etc.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yep. Pop is the only one not required to get over himself.

[daslicer]

Yep. Pop is the only one not required to get over himself.

Agreed. He loves being the star. Can't allow anybody to steal his spotlight.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

any popsuckera gonna do some damage control??

[widowmaker]

That's this league now. It's all about playing the game within' the game with the media and self promotion (not that the Jazz are a glamour market/team by any means).

It was the East and Korver was an injury replacement, but the Hawks received 4 in '15, while the Warriors have had 3-4 a bunch of times.

Ginobili, more than any other player, had his accolades impacted by the era because his prime failed to coincide with advanced metrics becoming mainstream.

Still, at some point this organization is going to have to modernize and start self promoting. These things matter to most American Millennials and it's a somewhat controllable strike against them as far as appealing to them. It won't happen, but it should start with Pop ranting about the disrespect over the years.

Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA.

[widowmaker]

Agreed. Obviously I didn't agree with Kawhi forcing his way out of SA but part of the reason why he wanted out was he was tired of being Pop's shadows and being disrespected. For example a lot of dumbasses in the media believed when he was playing for the Spurs that he was only great because of Pop's system and not because of his individual talent. He should easily been in the running for the MVP in '17 but was discounted because in the media's eyes he was a system player.

Lamracus also ended up getting ed over being a Spur. Lamarcus sacrificed his numbers to help the Spurs get a winning record in '17 but got snubbed for the AS game with Draymond and Deandre Jordan getting picked over him. This caused Lamarcus to pout and want to get traded.

What a lot of spur fans don't understand in the long run guys are going to get fed up with sacrificing their numbers for winning if they are not going to get rewarded for it which means going to the all-star game, getting all-nba selections and awards. Spurs and Pop have to push harder for their players to get recognition. Part of me believes Pop enjoys getting all the credit hence why he's not willing to fight for his players to get respect. There are a lot of dumbass casual fans on other message boards believe Pop is the reason for the Spurs winning this year and not the players. This perception really hurts the players on the Spurs.

Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA. Nephew wouldn’t be the nephew we know now if he didn’t start off as a spur. Look pop can jump up and down and complain about his players not getting recognized by the league, we as fans can do the same and it will a fall on deaf ears. This is a NBA issue the NBA doesn’t market teams equally.

[TD 21]

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.

I don't have an issue with it in a vacuum, the problem is the goal posts once again being moved and whatever criteria that generally applies going out the window when it comes to the Spurs.

They've already got a giant strike against them being in a non glamour market, they can't continue to have a second one or S bag's wanting out and Aldridge's initial unhappiness will be just the tip of the iceberg.

Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA.

Basically. James' comment about as great as Malone and Stockton were, not even playing video games with the Jazz when "we" (inner city black Americans) were growing up, when asked why Gobert and Mitc were the final two picks, could have easily been applied to the Spurs.

That was code for them not being stereotypically black enough. More than two decades after their heyday, the stigma persists.

[widowmaker]

I don't have an issue with it in a vacuum, the problem is the goal posts once again being moved and whatever criteria that generally applies going out the window when it comes to the Spurs.

They've already got a giant strike against them being in a non glamour market, they can't continue to have a second one or S bag's wanting out and Aldridge's initial unhappiness will be just the tip of the iceberg.




Basically. James' comment about as great as Malone and Stockton were, not even playing video games with the Jazz when "we" (inner city black Americans) were growing up, when asked why Gobert and Mitc were the final two picks, could have easily been applied to the Spurs.

That was code for them not being stereotypically black enough. More than two decades after their heyday, the stigma persists.

Yes that is why they never picked the jazz because they were also not black enough.

[duncan2k5]

Demar deserved to be an all-star, most people know it. Personally, there is no way Paul George is better than DeRozan....but the excuse is it's a fans choice.
A guard playing out of position, averaging 20 pts and 7 assist and 5 rebounds isnt worthy? Than neither is the "allstar game". Boycott the allstar game festivities Spurs fans!!

Paul George isn't better than Derozan?? Lmfao...I swear y'all only watch spur games...

[R. DeMurre]

Yes that is why they never picked the jazz because they were also not black enough.

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitc has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

[GAustex]

Certainly not DeRozen

[gambit1990]

demar isn’t that good and neither are the spurs.

team with the best record getting three all stars isn’t uncommon.

[widowmaker]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitc has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

I can careless about the all star game i will not be watching it by the way.
Im calling lebrons double standard spurs and jazz are similar in was that the players get disrespected by the league in certain ways. Jazz got lucky this year because they are sitting on top of the west but still managed to get picked last. And the answer to why they got picked last according to lebron is “because nobody picked to play in a video game never”.

[gambit1990]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitc has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

[J_Paco]

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.

What advanced metrics are you looking at or speaking of? DeMar leads the team in win shares (4.0), PER (21.6), BPM (3.6), ORTG (125), VORP and other advanced metrics.
The advanced metrics may say otherwise but Conley is definitely not the best player on Utah and was less deserving of the all - star nod over DeMar.

[TD 21]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitc has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

Two completely different things. I'm fine with the Jazz getting three, but it'll forever be absurd that the Spurs somehow never did and as far as Gobert/Mitc not getting picked until last, that was in reference to James/Durant.

I'm not upset, I'm annoyed that the best players in this organization continue to get disrespected and the organization never stands up for them. I've long been convinced this plays a significant role in most prominent players not wanting to play here.

James isn't racist, he just does what many inner city black Americans (foolishly) do and differentiates within' his own kind.

[J_Paco]

Two completely different things. I'm fine with the Jazz getting three, but it'll forever be absurd that the Spurs somehow never did and as far as Gobert/Mitc not getting picked until last, that was in reference to James/Durant.

I'm not upset, I'm annoyed that the best players in this organization continue to get disrespected and the organization never stands up for them. I've long been convinced this plays a significant role in most prominent players not wanting to play here.

James isn't racist, he just does what many inner city black Americans (foolishly) do and differentiates within' his own kind.

I think the small market size and lack of mainstream media attention has more to do with stars refusing to come to San Antonio.

Pop advocating for his guys or 'standing up for them' isn't going to make San Antonio a bigger market, get them a ton of mainstream media attention or make them a bigger deal in the NBA hierarchy.

[TD 21]

I think the small market size and lack of mainstream media attention has more to do with stars refusing to come to San Antonio.

Pop advocating for his guys or 'standing up for them' isn't going to make San Antonio a bigger market, get them a ton of mainstream media attention or make them a bigger deal in the NBA hierarchy.

Right and the second part the Spurs play a part in. This militant, shun the spotlight style flew when it suited their superstars/stars, who were aberrations. Now, it comes off as a combination of out of touch and self serving.

I disagree. Someone of his stature essentially saying we're sick of this "culture"/"system" crap and that the players most responsible for their success deserve far more of the credit/spotlight, wouldn't hurt.

By them doing their part to promote and campaign for their players, it's not going to help attract the next Doncic or Williamson, but it might help keep Murray, Johnson, or whoever their next star or most prominent player ends up being, put.

[daslicer]

Right and the second part the Spurs play a part in. This militant, shun the spotlight style flew when it suited their superstars/stars, who were aberrations. Now, it comes off as a combination of out of touch and self serving.

I disagree. Someone of his stature essentially saying we're sick of this "culture"/"system" crap and that the players most responsible for their success deserve far more of the credit/spotlight, wouldn't hurt.

By them doing their part to promote and campaign for their players, it's not going to help attract the next Doncic or Williamson, but it might help keep Murray, Johnson, or whoever their next star or most prominent player ends up being, put.

Agreed that's how I feel about it. If the Spurs get their players recognition then there is a higher chance of keeping them.

[R. DeMurre]

What advanced metrics are you looking at or speaking of? DeMar leads the team in win shares (4.0), PER (21.6), BPM (3.6), ORTG (125), VORP and other advanced metrics.
The advanced metrics may say otherwise but Conley is definitely not the best player on Utah and was less deserving of the all - star nod over DeMar.

The advanced stats I was looking at were FiveThirtyEights's RAPTOR, ESPN's RPM, and Basketball Reference's on court & on/off +/- per 100 possessions, which I think are more accurate with regard to the effectiveness of a player while on the court. I rarely look at PER because I think it favors high usage rate players and certain stats. The Basketball Reference stats seem especially relevant to me, and show that the Spurs generally play better when DeRozan is off the court as compared to on the court. No other major star-- Lebron, Jokic, Embiid, Kawhi, Doncic, etc. share this characteristic. I understand the opinion of DeRozan over Conley, but I just don't agree with it. Conley plays very good D and is shooting over 42% from three in the 3&D era. DeRozan is a No 3/No D guy. I think the proof will come as the trade deadline approaches and no playoff team is willing to give up even a single protected 1st round pick for DeRozan... I don't think any other all star would be that difficult to sell as a third or fourth best player who could help a good team get better. If DeRozan was as good as people on Spurstalk want him to be, it'd be a no brainer for teams to take on a major talent with no salary obligations past this season, but I seriously doubt any team will.

[playblair]

its the price you play when you play in san antonio over austin

[DJR210]

I'm over here thinking they got him for his jewelry here in SA or some

[K...]

its the price you play when you play in san antonio over austin

you know i would say it never would happen, but if elon musk wanted to buy the spurs he definitely could.