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    And let him sulk and be a locker room cancer for the rest of the season? He'd negotiate a buyout and return some money, to sign with a contender. The guy is at that age to be ring chasing, and I don't blame him. But I wouldn't want him around if he doesn't want to be with the team. That and it would not look good image for the Spurs, as well as breaking good relationships with Aldridge agent.

    How do you know he’s even showing up to the locker room? Im sure he’s been free to do whatever he wants to do.

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    How do you know he’s even showing up to the locker room? Im sure he’s been free to do whatever he wants to do.
    It's just not good image for the Spurs to keep him if he wants out, and not good relationship with Aldridge agent. Those agents can sway future FA decision with the Spurs.

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    Most egotistical coach of all time would rather get swept by the Clippers or Jazz than tank for a lottery pick. If it wasn't evident after he chose DeRozan over better offers that included younger players, or that he caters to his vets over the young guys... he simply doesn't give a single about the state of this team after he retires and wouldn't surprise me if he's the type of coach that hopes the team is worse after he leaves, just to boost his ego.

    The time to trade LMA was after the Kawhi fiasco when his window did not match that of a team no longer in contention. He had a lot of value and was 31-32 years old then, and now he will get bought out for no return. The time to trade DeRozan was this past offseason, and now he'll walk in the summer for no return. The time to trade contract year Mill$ is tomorrow, but they won't and he'll predictably get a fat extension on the first day of free agency.

    Hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it They've liked what they had the last 4 years
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    there's that alt we've all been craving

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    Most egotistical coach of all time would rather get swept by the Clippers or Jazz than tank for a lottery pick. If it wasn't obvious the way he prefers his vets over the young guys... he doesn't give a single about the future of this franchise and wouldn't surprise me if he's the type of coach that hopes the team is worse after he leaves to boost his ego.
    Agree with you 100 percent. The funny thing is the Spurs are going to miss the playoffs again the way this schedule is setup so it doesn't even matter if Pop tries to get in.

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    Agree with you 100 percent. The funny thing is the Spurs are going to miss the playoffs again the way this schedule is setup so it doesn't even matter if Pop tries to get in.
    This is what is so sad. Pop is going to hold on to the vets to try and make the playoffs which will be the reason they miss the playoffs

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    This is what is so sad. Pop is going to hold on to the vets to try and make the playoffs which will be the reason they miss the playoffs
    Pop is going to have to keep getting humiliated before he quits. Spurs will most likely miss the playoffs this year and next year. If that happens then it will be 3 years in a row of not making the playoffs. Then the national media will start questioning Pop if he's washed up. I think only then once his rep is being destroyed will Pop quit.

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    Sounds about right. Spurs value getting bounced in the 1st round more than tanking for the future
    tanking guarantees Jack and only sets a horrible culture. Ole em of Pop was retired this franchise would never tank.

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    What’s funny is I was told they haven’t been offered anything like that for Gay, and if they were they would take it.

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    Pop is going to have to keep getting humiliated before he quits. Spurs will most likely miss the playoffs this year and next year. If that happens then it will be 3 years in a row of not making the playoffs. Then the national media will start questioning Pop if he's washed up. I think only then once his rep is being destroyed will Pop quit.
    I would think it's already taking a hit with a 2nd big name asking to leave the Spurs within the last few years.

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    So Spurs arent doing anything besides buying out Alridge

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    So after buying out Aldridge, LMA a Laker or a Blazer?

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    Turning down two second round picks for Rudy seems crazy to me. That could be Paul Reed and Mitc Robinson. Rudy has been a good soldier, but his age doesn't fit the timeline of a serious contender featuring KJ, Dejounte, D White, and Devin. If they love him that much, resign him in 2022 as a FA and let him be the elder statesman of the team.
    Agreed tbh. If he's not coming back, why not get something in return for him. If they really like Lyles so much then they should be fine with him as the backup 4.


    Turning down a first round pick for derozan is beyond stupid. These fools are going to get nothing out of his contract and still miss the playoffs.
    Also agreed tbh. That's outrageous to me. They've already ed up the Aldridge situation by not moving him at last years deadline or in the off-season, after it became clear that Poeltl was their guy. Risking losing both Gay, Aldridge, and DeRozan with no assets in the off-season is just bad-especially if its 1sts from the Bulls or the Knicks.

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    It depends how you look at it. The cap space has benifits.

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    lyles shouldnt be back after deadline if he really does want out

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    Good read. Thanks!

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    Good read by LJ Ellis. Bottom Line = Rerun of a disaster with nephew except now his trade value is seemingly zilch. Go ahead and buy him out and then he will likely resurrect himself on a real team. On the other hand, DDR is an inconsistent star at best who is not a difference maker. SHOULD BE TRADED. Farce by the FO again that has great youth but cannot do the obvious and move on and should have a year or two ago from both so called stars.
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    Wow... This sounds really bad... Our front office is trash... Matter of fact... When was the last time we have ever made a great move in trades or free agency? I barely count the LMA signing because that was his choice, really... But all we have had were a string of bad trades and I'll advised contracts... Not trading DDR for another player and a first? Because we value winning?? Lol... We missed the playoffs with him and may probably miss it again! Then he will leave for nothing! Not trading Rudy for TWO second round picks? Those pucks are CLEARLY more valuable than Rudy is! The insanity needs to stop

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    I can see the Spurs playing cute just to keep up their "we don't make trades in the season" mystique, then all the good deals that they could have go to other teams

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    I wonder, the team offering two 2nd rounders for Rudy is likely a team trying to contend. Rudy would probably be pissed they didn’t trade him as well.

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    No way Derozan stays in SA. He looks miserable most of the time and why would he want to stay with a mediocre team? He's got a few good years left and I'd want to be competing with a contender. He could flourish in the right situation. It's not a good fit for either side. Time to move on.
    Last night, of course, would be an exception, but most of the time he seems to really enjoy, and enjoy playing with the young kids. The issue with his extension doesn’t even seem to be money, it’s years and options, so he probably will leave.

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    One thing people don't consider is that late-seconds are basically valueless. Say Miami was the team offering expirings and a picks for Gay. That would necessary be the 2022 DEN/PHL second-rounder (worse of) and the 2027 MIA second. I mean sure that's not no value at all. But it's also not anything the Spurs couldn't get with cash if they wanted it. There are some really good second-round picks out there, ones good enough to trade vets for. But it has to be clear that those are the ones being offered before saying PATFO should've taken said deal.

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    If nothing happens today, they could still S&T them in the off-season.

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    One thing people don't consider is that late-seconds are basically valueless. Say Miami was the team offering expirings and a picks for Gay. That would necessary be the 2022 DEN/PHL second-rounder (worse of) and the 2027 MIA second. I mean sure that's not no value at all. But it's also not anything the Spurs couldn't get with cash if they wanted it. There are some really good second-round picks out there, ones good enough to trade vets for. But it has to be clear that those are the ones being offered before saying PATFO should've taken said deal.
    Perhaps. Yet, still worth making the trade most likely. A rebuilding team needs opportunities to find new players, especially a small market team. So, I see your point that the picks may not be super helpful, but I would counter they are better than nothing. Now, if the team feels they want to keep Gay around to shore up the uncertain 4 position, then I get that. But if they give him a big contract again, then turning down this theoretical trade looks even worse, especially if that incentivizes them to not play Luka because they just invested in Gay.

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    It's just not good image for the Spurs to keep him if he wants out, and not good relationship with Aldridge agent. Those agents can sway future FA decision with the Spurs.
    Its not like big name free agents even come here, we barely get no name free agents im not concerned about image. Nobody wants to do any favors by coughing up something Spurs shouldn’t do any favors either by buying him out.

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