i miss steve kerr more
Exactly my point. When, "in the past", ownership wasn't F'ing things up, you were ing that they were.Just because in the past ownership hasn't F'ed up things doesn't mean they aren't starting to do so now.
Besides, if not having Devin Brown, Glenn Robinson, or George Lynch will prevent the team from winning, their problems are a lot bigger than swingman depth.
I personally think that Melvin Sanders is a perfectly servicable swing that costs less than Brown. Brown has injury concerns, and Glen Robinson has age issues. Don't know if you would want them to back up an older swing rotation. Not that I'd be opposed to bringing the Big Dog back, but so far, I'm very happy with Brown not being on this team.
Brown was good enough to replace Barry as the 1st swing off the bench last season and GRob helped to spark a rally in Game 1 of the NBA Finals last June.
Right now you have two guys out and you have Manu forced to play while he should be resting. But, I know, Holt Cat saves a few bucks and that is what is most important to us fans.
Isn't expressing my own opinion, which is different from yours "discussion"?
I just call it like I see it. What I see is the best team/ownership/managament/organization in the league, who has made a steady series of sound financial and basketball decisions that have resulted in the greatest success of any team in any professional league over the last several years.
If they don't deserve the occasional benefit of the doubt for their past actions, they never will. Of course, if that was the way I saw it, I'd be you.
But don't slap the cheerleading label on me. I have my opinion. You have yours. If they didn't differ, then there would be no discussion. That's what you're claiming we're supposed to be doing here, right?
Brown WAS good enough before he got hurt. If he is still good enough, he's hardly shown it so far in Utah. You complain about having an older swing rotation, then say you want Glenn Robinson to back them up???
Just a question for you MB, I have not had an opportunity to watch Melvin Sanders play yet, what do you think of his game so far?
Discussion does not consist of 'the Spurs/Pop/Holt have won 3 les in 7 years so shut up'. If you want to actually offer up something else, by all means there isn't a problem with that. But the vast majority of the responses to anything that could be perceived to be critical of the Spurs in this forum has descended into knee-jerk Spurs jingoism, for lack of a better term.
'Older' as in the players are more susceptible to injury as well as will require a longer healing time. That's why more depth is preferable, regardless of age. Right now the Spurs are only carrying 4. Last season and in most seasons prior that I can remember, they carried 6.
He's fine. He should be on IR this season and in Austin.Just a question for you MB, I have not had an opportunity to watch Melvin Sanders play yet, what do you think of his game so far?
But seeing as how he's on a non-guaranteed deal I would not be surprised to see the team waive him as soon as they can.
Well please feel free to offer up something besides "Holt is a cheap bas , I would run this team so much better, our current 5th swingman scrub isn't as good as other 5th swingman scrubs."
I do offer more, kiddo.
Give me a break. You're always trying to put labels on .
I have my opinion. I have that right, just like you.
If my opinion automatically makes me a homer, than yours automatically makes you a hater.
There's nothing knee-jerk about my opinion. It has been formed through years of watching this team develop. I don't know what team you're watching, but it must really suck.
And obviously others offer more than "Spurs/Pop/Holt have won 3 les in 7 years, so shut up." old-timer
Like what? Because all I ever seem to hear out of you is "Holt is cheap".
The decision about Brown was not about money as people believe. The Spurs had decided that he simply was not the Bruce Bowen replacement they hoped he would turn out to be-- that is what the real discussion should be about. He spent part of one season plus 2 fulls seasons here. The best offer he could get was only one guaranteed year from Utah. If he has a good season and proves his back is fine, he will have interest next summer. If not, he'll be out of the league sooner than people realize.
This forum doesn't lack 'Spurs are so great/Rasho is hot' commentary. What it does lack is a critical look at the team and its moves. If you don't like that, too bad.
Brown was never going to replace Bowen. That's absurd.
But that's what they wanted him to be.
I miss Frank Brick-owww-ski
That's what you think they wanted him to be.
Critical, obviously, does not necessarily mean negative. Just because your views are negative, and others are positive does not mean you are the only one capable of critical thought. Others have looked at Devin's stats and history and come to the conclusion that he would not be a good investment for this team. Plain and simple. You have come to the opposite conclusion.
This is a board to talk about the Spurs. If some want to talk about how hot Rash is, well this is the place. This is obviously a place for a team to debate how the team is run, and how it could be run differently. Just because some disagree with you doesn't mean they aren't thinking, it just means they think differently. And I believe the 3 championships in 7 years argument carries merit. I am a grad student in history so of course I look at the past to predict the future. Just as you have looked at the past and seen warning signs for the future, I do the same thing - but have come to an opposite conclusion.
So one can be critical, just not state anything 'negative'? um, ok.
Do you remember how Brickowski was friends with Charlies Sheen, so they would always show Charlie Sheen in the crowd during games? Man, we were starved for celebrity fans back then.
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*sigh* I explicitly stated that critical can both be positive or negative. You are the one who claimed that this board was a PR mouthpiece for the Spurs organization and lacked critical thinking. I merely stated that just because some disagree with you does not they aren't critical - it just means they disagree with you.
miss what ? his 3 points per game he is averaging -- that kid sure is tearing it up in Utah - shots just aren't as easy to come by when you don't have the entire defense focused on TD and you are an after thought -- as Devin is discovering. -
I don't know why people fight with New Orleans on this board - that kid is miserable - and will continue to be miserable - he is a Saints fan. Have you seen that team ? Aaron Brooks might be the worst QB in the league - he can only make one pass - a bullet straight down the field - dont ask him to throw a touch pass or a screen -- just deep balls - bullets straight down the field. Let this man be in his sorrow. I heard they lost this week and they had a bye -
MB, your point on how Holt conducts himself always ends up being that he is cheap. And you go out of your way, sometimes with farfetched arguments, to prove this point.
As much as I agree that Holt is cheap, i.e. fiscally responsible, in this case I disagree with you argument (and that does not make me a cheerleader).
Devin spent two months riding the pine because of a back-related injury and you are complaining he is not our 5th swingman because two of them are already injured? Two swingmen injured and you want a third who is injury prone? Wheres the logic?
And besides, Sanders is doing and ok job as you 5 swing guy.
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