Why is Jermaine only playing 35 mpg? He should be playing about the same as TD or more seeing as he is younger.
TD 38 mpg
JO 38 mpg
Malik 20 or less mpg = not happy.
Malik already averaged 24.5 mpg last year and that is including a bunch of DNP-CDs. He won't be happy to see his minutes decline already by 2 mpg and much less happy seeing them decline by 5 to 20 mpg.
With TD and JO, Horry and Willis just make more sense and they are also more cap friendly.
Malik fills a good role, particularly when team go small and the minutes are there. Only reason to move Rose if Brand or O'Neal came is if it looked like Scola was going to be a keepr.
No way you lose Jax unless he gets too high an offr n FA. Don't see his name mentioned much as a target so hopefully he won't cost too much or maybe words out he's coming back and a deals been worked.
DNP's don't effect your minutes per game, because its not a game when you played. In other words, if you played 30 minutes in one game the entire year, your mpg would be 30.
so, the DNPs have no effect on maliks minutes.
As for why are they playing limited minutes, why play them 40 if you don't have to?
Besides, Malik is a great backup to have in case of an injury. He can step up and start for limited periods of time and play very well.
You don't violate a couple of cardinal rules in being a GM.
You don't trade down in size, and you don't trade youth for older players.
malik + jax for reggie does BOTH Of that, its a moronic idea. I'm sorry, i'm glad your thinking of scenarios, but this one is just plain stupid.
My ideal summer:
Brand/O'Neal, Horry, Peeler, SJax, Willis, Kerr, perimeter guy/developmental type, FA big
Plan B: Brad Miller, Gary Payton (no four year deal), Horry, Peeler, SJax, Willis, Kerr, perimeter type, FA big
AHF
Jermaine O'Neal...........Malik Rose..............Kevin Willis
Tim Duncan................Robert Horry or Fabricio Oberto
Bruce Bowen..............Walt Williams
Stephen Jackson.........Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker...............Hollis Price..............Steve Kerr
Not ideal but I felt a little creative.
Hey- don't be baggin on us Jackson Haters. Not all of us are bad.
I like to attribute Jackson's success to my constant hating of him. He reads this forum (huh?) and plays the way he does just to prove me wrong (wha?)! Keep proving me wrong Jack!
Here is my ideal line up next season
C ONeal/Rose/Willis
PF Duncan/Rose/Horry
SF Bowen/Jackson/Horry
SG Jackson/Manu/Kerr
I don't know who the other two guys we end up with are- nor do I honestly care.
PG Parker/Claxton/Kerr
Walt Williams will never play for Pop. I play better d.
Before jumping all over Walton, you people should also recognize that Jackson has many good qualities but he also has a serious problem with turnovers. 2.2 to/game is quite high. By comparison, Manu had roughly half the turnovers Jax did in both the regular season and the playoffs while playing fewer minutes. Jackson averaged 2.83 to/game in the playoffs. That is horrendous for a guard who doesn't handle the ball as much as Tim or Tony and who also plays fewer minutes than both.
I'd be willing to give Jax another year to show improvement in this area but if things don't improve, I believe he would have to be replaced. He was being pulled from the floor earlier and earlier in games because of his poor decisions. Had we not been in the playoffs I believe Pop would have benched him in favor of Manu but he didn't want to disrupt the rotation.
Don't get me wrong, I love Jax and what he brings to the team but I was pulling my hair out at the number of blunders he comitted in the playoffs. If he improves his handles and turnovers he should be a of a player.
Then JO gets 37 minutes and MR gets 21 minutes. Just because your 4/5 rotation is a strength doesn't mean you have to weaken it.
With respect to Jax I just have to say...clutch. You can't have an all-star at every spot on the floor. Also finding someone to take (and hit) the big shot is rather difficult.
He's all of 24 years old. The Spurs should never be in the business of running off 6'8" athletic swingmen who can shoot the rock under pressure. Never.
ing a
give him another year?
you realize that without jax,
we don't win the ing le!!!!!
BEFORE YOU GUYS GO DISMANTLING THIS TEAM, REALIZZE ONE THING.
THEY WON THE LE.
**** man. MB is right, some of you think you can get an all star at every ing position and on the bench.
All of you people who have lineups including Tim/O'Neal(or Brand)/Rose/Horry/Willis, there won't be enough minutes to keep Rose happy. I'd think he'd probably want to leave or should be traded.
TD 38
JO 37
MR 21
Rose averaged 21.0 minutes per game in the 2000-01 and 2001-02 seasons. Last season he averaged 24.5, but bear in mind that he started some and he also subbed in for an injured DRob extensively in others.
Okay...Manny, I'll give you that - although I was thinking about bench scoring and Steve Smith upgrade.Walt Williams will never play for Pop. I play better d. - Manny
Subs ute a big SF in Walter McCarty? He made $760k last year and is a FA and he brings hustle on D.
if malik is on this team next year, and I think there is 99% chance he will be. (thank god, or pop) Then he will be the first bigman off the bench, and he will avg at least 20 minutes. Regardless of who we sign.
Stephen Jackson averages 2.3 turnovers per game in the playoffs and some of you want to run him out of town.
Jason Kidd averages 3.95 turnovers per game in the playoffs, 3.7 for the entire season, and some of you want to give him 100 million dollars. Jason Kidd led the league in TOs per game, and had the second highest number of them after Mr. Ballhog Steve Francis.
ing A, make some sense please people. Stephen Jackson is our diamond in the rough, and he doesn't need to be sporting anything but the silver and black for the next several years.
AHF
Well, um, McCarty is tall and he can shoot the 3.
Kidd and the rest of those guys have the rock in their hands a lot more though.
Kori- thank you for arguing your point without namecalling- a rarity here.
Ok, here goes what will surely be a long thread- here's my two cents.
First off, I have every game on tape- I know what Jack did and I wholeheartedly agree with you- Jackson did play a huge part in the championship. However, I make this point with the future in mind. In my opinion, Stephen Jackson is not starting material on a team with Manu Ginobili, period. With that in mind- what should we do with Jackson?
In answering that, let's look at our options- simply put we sign him or lose him. As the starting shooting guard on a championship team, he will likely command a nice raise. I believe we made a mistake in committing to Malik Rose for that length and money- he was grossly overpaid. I'm tired of seeing Rose fumble balls, get shot over by taller guys and do that patented pump-fake-for-ten-minutes, then shoot an airball. We can't make that mistake with Jackson- he's not all that. As you pointed out, in certain games he was great, in others, he was yanked after three minutes! He's erratic and unfortunately it won't change- he can barely dribble for Christ's sake!
Reggie Miller had a horrible playoffs, no doubt. However, if you think that Reggie doesn't know that and won't come back with a vengeance, you're very wrong. Reggie Miller is a rare breed- a winner personafied, an overflowing cup of killer instinct and with us, I believe downright scary!!!
Guys like Reggie Miller are made to play with people like Tim Duncan- the will of these two alone would win a championship.
Anyways, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. I wish the best for Jack, wherever he plays.
People also don't take into context how those to's were made. Alot of his passes were bobbled out of bounds, that is not always his fault, and players will be better with him this year.
Jax was a ing hero from the 3 point line. As far as i'm concerned, the man has earned him self a spot here for a long ass time.
Miller is too damn old. And injured on top of that.
yeah, this isn't the reggie of old lore, this is a s of his former ratboy self.
Before we all get our panties in a bunch, look at the above. Yes, Jackson has some great qualities but he is not irreplacable. If he shows some solid improvement in his problem areas next year then I would say he's a keeper. If not, I don't think it would be the end of the world to look elsewhere.Code:Player G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 02-03 Stephen Jackson 80 58 28.2 .435 .320 .760 .80 2.80 3.60 2.3 1.56 .38 2.20 2.50 11.8 01-02 Steve Smith 77 76 28.7 .455 .472 .878 .60 1.90 2.50 2.0 .70 .19 1.40 2.10 11.6
But at least McCarty's been featured on uglypeople.com...
@ Marcus:vomit
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