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Whoa. She said "hot second."
Wow, I saw your name after my post and expected a much worse response :wink
she said "hot" whoa.......
Miss, I'll give you what you want.
Jermaine O'Neal
I think it should be our number 1 thing to do!!
IMO!!
I'd take Brand first because I think we could just plug him into our line-up and roll (and he'd come cheaper to boot). There's no question in my mind that Elton would be willing to take a backseat to TD and that he'd play his ass off for us every night doing whatever Pop asked of him. I think Brand would also be more conducive to letting our perimeter players blossom offensively because he wouldn't be "stealing" shots.
I'm more skeptical of O'Neal working with TD (but not nearly enough so to pass on him if he wants to come!). A Duncan-O'Neal frontcourt certainly has more potential than a Duncan-Brand pairing.
I would choose Brand over O'Neal, simply because I'm one of the ones who feels that hard work and good character are paramount. Brand fits the Spurs mold on both counts. He may be 6'7", but his block totals and rebounding totals are great. He seems like he would be comfortable sharing the spotlight with Tim. Although Tim would have to play center, he would still feel good going to battle with a blue-collar guy like Brand next to him.
I really like O'Neal's game, and would be thrilled to have him as well. He's a close second to Brand, and like timvp said, it's a tough call because both would help us so much. If we get either of these guys, it will definitely be a successful summer.
JO all the way, except for one thing. Brand would make us that much more boring (but boring in an exciting, winning way). Seriously, as a fan, I am basking in the glow all this "boring team" talk.
How 'bout we sign Kidd and trade him to the Clips for Brand? This trade works on so many levels.
Just a suggestion.
Guru, that is an awesome idea. If we have to resort to signing Kidd, we should definitely try that.
You can't sign-and-trade another team's FA. I can't remember off the top of my head when the earliest date the Spurs could trade Kidd is, but it'd almost certainly be after Brand gave in and signed the Clips' Q.O. Once Elton signs that one year offer, he can't be traded.
How is Jermaine O'Neal not a character guy with a strong work ethic?
Perhaps Jermaine O'Neal is a character guy with a strong work ethic, Marcus. He had to have worked hard to improve from bench warmer as a 17 year-old rookie in Portland to an All-Star and Team USA member.
I wasn't trying to imply that he isn't a good guy, either. I simply don't know much about his at ude. However, the bad press about him involving Team USA last summer and the Pacers' implosion in the playoffs this year doesn't help things.
I'm sure he would fit in just fine in San Antonio, which is why I stated that it's difficult to choose between he and Brand.
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Answer: C) None of the above
Timvp, how does Elton have big game experience, and Jermaine doesn't? Dont say NCAA.
I can't remember the last time Elton played a Playoff game.
Anyway, I take O'Neal before Brand, pretty clear decision in my opinion.
But, honestly, who wouldn't be happy with either!
What a Dilemma!
I don't recall any bad press about Jermaine from the WC's- did I miss something? I was under the impression that Pop and Jermaine liked each other?the bad press about him involving Team USA last summer and the Pacers' implosion in the playoffs this year doesn't help things.
I wouldn't blame the Pacers on Jermaine any more than I would blame the Clippers or Bulls on Elton. Jermaine had a nut case to deal with and Elton was on the Clippers and Bulls for pete's sake.
I'll be happy equally with either of these guys in a Spurs uniform.
I think Brand's style is a perfect compliment to Tim's game. And I don't worry about his height because he's an excellent rebounder, shot blocker and even has a good work ethic in a bad system -- those things make up for a couple inches.
Jermaine O'Neal has the edge over Brand in my book just because he's unrestricted. I think that he'd be more than happy to have a few less touches in exchange for a handful of rings. He'll still be a big star and get his share of points.
It's funny that people have been ing about wanting another star to go along with Duncan. And now they complain that O'Neal will want to be too much of a star, The Man.
Either way, I'm absolutely thrilled that the Spurs are in the position to be making these type of decisions.
Yes, it's a great time to be a Spurs fan.
O'Neal is more David-like in his intimidating presence in the paint, that is what I want for SA, to pickup right where DRob left off. O'Neal in a walk.
If you go with talent it's O'Neal. I f Pop goes after O'Neal you know he's sized the situation up, talked to O'Neal, TD's talked to O'Neal and it will likely work. Tim doesn't have an ego that will get in the way and that could likely rub off on JO.
Bigger probelm I see is, with or without the added fire power of JO, the needed emergence of Manu on the offensive end, as well as Jax, that Parker has to get his head into being a distributor and stop concentrating so much on being a scoring PG or everybody is going to be unhappy.
I'd ask Jermaine three times before asking Elton.
Jermaine is more athletic and he's taller. He gets to the line 4 times per game more often and shoots it better when he gets there. And all of this with a Playoff-calibur team.
And all of this talk about Jermaine not taking a back seat to Duncan... what is that based on? Asid3e from the fact that he has no history of being a selfish player, don't you think that he would understand his role before signing? If he wants to be the man, then he won't sign with the Spurs. So that shouldn't be a concern.
Elton Brand is great, but I'm a little skeptical of his numbers. Raef LaFrentz averaged 20 and 10 with the Nuggets, and I'm sure we're all glad we never signed him...
Jermaine O'Neal.
While I think Brand's character and consistency are more in line with the Spurs, I prefer O'Neal's raw ability, extra height and defensive prowress in the paint.
Something Spurs fans continue to dismiss when throwing around names like Juwan Howard and PJ Brown and even our own Malik Rose to replace Robinson is that those guys do not block shots.
A major part of the success of the Twin Towers was that if a guard got by Duncan, Robinson was there to clean up and vice versa.
We need that second shot blocker.
If you're basing the decision on being a good shotblocker then Brand is your man. Height alone means nothing.
Brand is currently the better shotblocker (also plays in the west) and has been throughout his career. Check their stats.
Brand is a better shotblocker than O'Neal?
Is that a fact?
Brand was #4 in the League in Blocks per game at 2.55 (39.6 MPG, 2.88 per 48 minutes)
O'Neal was #7 at 2.31 (37.2 MPG, 2.88 per 48 minutes)
Considering Brand played in the west, I'd give him the edge- but its clearly debatable since they both had the same Blocks per 48 average.
Brand gets my nod because of his offensive rebounding (4.6, tops in the league compared to only 2.0 for Jermaine).
Wow. It's closer than I thought. Maybe Brand is the better fit, because I think he's more "Spurs-worthy" than O'Neal, but Jermaine would indeed add more balla qualities to the perennially boring Spurs.
Put it this way: either one would be an equally fine addition to the team.
Don't forget that O'Neal became a >2 bpg shotblocker only recently. Brand has there or near there for his entire career, in the west.Considering Brand played in the west, I'd give him the edge- but its clearly debatable since they both had the same Blocks per 48 average.
I heartily agree. *salivate*Put it this way: either one would be an equally fine addition to the team.
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