Reply With Quotedid not stephen jackson suck his first year as a spur?
yes rasho is older but he was learning the system
he proved he can do it without duncan they jujst need to do it together
FYI: Rasho Nesterovic Sucks.Sequ,I will go off.
Is this thread about some weird sexual fantasy of yours?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.....
did not stephen jackson suck his first year as a spur?
yes rasho is older but he was learning the system
he proved he can do it without duncan they jujst need to do it together
Rasho is a decent center. Robert Horry SUCKS ASS!
I don't think "learning the system" is going to make Rasho any more skilled or any less timid, which I think is Sequ's point (assuming that "Rasho sucks" is a shorthand for "Rasho lacks the skills and toughness that are required of a center on a championship caliber team.").did not stephen jackson suck his first year as a spur?
yes rasho is older but he was learning the system
Stephen Jackson's numbers were bad during his first year in San Antonio, but mostly because he didn't play much (9.9 minutes per game in only 23 games) -- he didn't play much because he didn't know what was going on -- once he figured out what was going on, he got to play more minutes and, not surprisingly, his numbers improved.
Rasho, on the other hand, got plenty of opportunity last season (28.7 minutes per in 82 games), so it's not a matter of his figuring out what's up and getting on the floor more regularly. With good minutes last season, Rasho didn't do much statistically, particularly in the playoffs when the Spurs needed him the most. I'd forgive him if his numbers were just down against LA, but he had pretty paltry numbers against Memphis, which hardly has a great inside presence at the 5 spot.
I think there are some good things that Rasho did that can't necessarily be measured with numbers, but the truth is that Rasho needs to bring some numbers (rebounds and blocks, in particular) to the table if the Spurs are going to raise the gold ball in June.
No, she bought a 5 game pack today for this coming season. So now I am forced to at least attend a few games... So I expect nothing but a championship contender, so you damn right... I am cranky and my expectations are higher, because our income was just donated to Rasho's development. - Sequ
Your income = cost of 5 game pack?
That is the saddest thing I ever heard of. I can afford a 25 game pack + apt and car payment on what I make with my raspa tricycle.
I hope she didn't get the pre-season pack.
FWD(assuming that "Rasho sucks" is a shorthand for "Rasho lacks the skills and toughness that are required of a center on a championship caliber team.").
Then you should alert that to Jordan and the Bulls on there run from 96 to 98, when they had the big bruiser Luke Longley and Bill Wennington manning the middle.
Blocked shots?? Did h not average 1.50 to 2 a game last year over 8 to 9 boards a game?
I said in my article in the preseason last year, and ill say it again.
He was aproject player this year ALA Stephen Jackson.
I also said you wouldnt see the results until this season.
I will admit to being wrong, if he coms out and has a same or worse record.
Sure . . . . DURING THE REGULAR SEASON.Blocked shots?? Did h not average 1.50 to 2 a game last year over 8 to 9 boards a game?
Sequ's point (and I think its a valid one) is that Rasho disappeared during the playoffs, where he averaged less than 6 rebounds and a little more than 1 block per game. Last I checked, TPark, teams win championships with their performances during THE PLAYOFFS, and team performance is determined by the performance of individual players. The fact of the matter is that, along with several others who disappeared at playoff time (cough, cough, Hedo, cough, cough), Rasho's numbers went south in a hurry and returned to the kind of numbers he put up at playoff time in Minnesota.
All I'm saying is that the Spurs need better performances from Rasho if they're going to win les, and agreeing that I'm skeptical about his ability to produce those kinds of performances. I certainly hope your "wait til next year" prediction is right, but I'm not willing to drink the kool-aid on that one quite yet.
Call me when Longley and Wennington make anywhere near Rasho money, Play Raho minutes, or are as fundamental to the Bulls defensive strategy as Rasho is to the Spurs.Then you should alert that to Jordan and the Bulls on there run from 96 to 98, when they had the big bruiser Luke Longley and Bill Wennington manning the middle.
Luke made about 3-5 million so your gonna get a call.
Luke Longley started and averaged about 25 28 minutes, same as Rasho
Luke Longley had to guard opposing centers such as Patrick Ewing, Shaquille with the Magic, and others. Id say he had a pretty good role.
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my eye, he did. In 1995-96, Longley made $2.3 million. In 1996-97, he made $2.79 million (slightly above league average, which was $2.2 million) and in 1997-98 he pulled down $3.184 million (a bit more than $1.0 million over league average of $2.1 million).Luke made about 3-5 million so your gonna get a call.
It's more like he made 2-3 million during his stay with Chicago, and was right around the league average during that time.
Rasho, by comparison made $5.6 million last season, which was almost $2.0 million more than the league average ($3.783 million).
During the Bulls second three-peat, Longley averaged 24.4, 22.7, and 25.3 minutes per game during the playoffs. Rasho was at 26.1 during this year's playoffs.Luke Longley started and averaged about 25 28 minutes, same as Rasho
Well, Longley faced Ewing once, in the second round in 1996 (4-1 Bulls) and O'Neal once, in the East Finals in 1996 (4-0 Bulls).Luke Longley had to guard opposing centers such as Patrick Ewing, Shaquille with the Magic, and others. Id say he had a pretty good role.
But let's also remember, before we say that Longley-esque performances out of Rasho will be enough for the Spurs, that (as Mark correctly pointed out) Longley was not the focus of the Bulls defensive scheme, and that Longley played on teams with: (1) a defensive-minded, rebounding machine; and (2) a group perimeter players who were far superior, offensively, to the group the Spurs put around Rasho.
The Bulls didn't need as much out of Longley (and company) as the Spurs need out of Rasho.
I THINK RASHO STILL NEEDS TIME TO ADDAPT TO SAN ANTONIO STYLE OF PLAY. BECAUSE HE DID COME FROM MINNESOTA AND THEY PLAY TOTALY DIFFERENT. BESIFES RASHO HAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE INTIRE WORLD PLAYING BESIDE HIM (TIM DUNCAN) AND CAN ONLY GET BETTERE. AND NOW THAT SHAQ IS GONE FROM THE WEST LOOK FOR RASHO'S NUMBERS TO IMPROVE FROM LAST YEARS................
Comparing the Bulls to the Spurs??
Are you ing high?
Jordan is the best player ever. Duncan might break the top 50. Totally different roles.
The Bulls validated on every occasion.. The Spurs haven't. Post Robinson, the Spurs haven't done .
Rasho is the same player he was in Minnesota. ty. I am calling it like it is. You want to know the weakness. Its Rasho. The point guard situation will be discussed next week.
FWD, you are exactly right. His skills are lacking to make the Spurs a legitimate contender. He will not improve on his weaknesses. He will always get killed by Nowitski, Garnett, Ming, and Shaq in a playoff matchup.
When you compare playoff numbers to regular season numbers, I wouldn't be suprised if the only player who had a bigger dropoff than Rasho was Keith Van Horrible.
Justifying Rasho's performance by comparing him to Longley is like saying that paying a lot of money for a ty SUV is okay because there are cheap minivans that are ty too.
So you guys wanted Olowokandi?
I think Rasho main problem is Tim Duncan. I mean if Tim gets 22-11 night in night out, It's almost impossible for Rasho to have impressive numbers, otherwise the Spurs would dominate.
The main thing for Rasho to change is his toughness, he needs to show more energy, a little more of fighting wouldn't be bad.
And, remember, this year Shaq is in the East...
Sequ, you are right...
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Psyche!!!! :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Exactly! He should quit! He will never do standing in the shadows of Garnett and Duncan.....I think Rasho main problem is Tim Duncan.
LMAO.
No, but his salary shouldn't be as the current one. He should accept his role as a guy that will score and rebound a lot only when TD is injured. Of course, it's not his fault that the Spurs offered him such contract.
Who exactly sets market value for NBA players?
Message board wonks?
Dude, if you're 7 foot tall, you are going to get a contract.
That's it, he is 7 foot. I mean, that's it...
Just Win Baby!Comparing the Bulls to the Spurs??
Are you ing high?
Jordan is the best player ever. Duncan might break the top 50. Totally different roles.
The Bulls validated on every occasion.. The Spurs haven't. Post Robinson, the Spurs haven't done .
Rasho is the same player he was in Minnesota. ty. I am calling it like it is. You want to know the weakness. Its Rasho. The point guard situation will be discussed next week.
FWD, you are exactly right. His skills are lacking to make the Spurs a legitimate contender. He will not improve on his weaknesses. He will always get killed by Nowitski, Garnett, Ming, and Shaq in a playoff matchup.
Duncan might break the top 50 huh, the best player on the planet RIGHT NOW!!
But he barely breaks the top 50? Thats big of you.......
He gets killed by Nowitski Garnett and Shaq??
DUH WHO DOESNT!??!?!
AND ANOTHER THING DUMB HE DOESNT PLAY THE SAME POSTION AS NOWITSKI OR GARNETT YOU IMPTENT SMALL FRY MORON!!!!
God, the idiocy you spew here rivals NBADan's in the political forum.
Post Robinson?? Wow one whole season!! WHEW!!!
You're wacked.
Duncan never guards the top big man on the court. Why? So he stays in the game. Rasho always guards the big man.
Do you have a Rasho jersey?
Answer the question......
Should be set by performances, but the Spurs were in need of a big man. Rasho numbers in Minnesotta weren't impressive.
Just because the market established a price doesn't mean I can't complain - especially if he's not even playing up to the minimal expectations that we had for him.Who exactly sets market value for NBA players?
Just because he was the best center out there when we needed one doen't mean we should be satisfied with ty performances.
Dude, if you're 7 foot tall, you are going to get a contract.That's it, he is 7 foot. I mean, that's it...
Sequ's in denial...
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