ESPN's Rick Bucher says SA is still going after Kidd

[Archie]

The main concern for the Spurs is to get an impact player this summer. Period. That's the overriding concern. Spurs fans are getting a little bit ahead of themselves in assuming that the Spurs will be free to sign whoever they would like at their discretion.

Duncan's prime playing years are now and roughly the next 5 seasons. He deserves to spend those years with a superstar teammate.

[scott]

My predictions I hope never have the chance to prove true or false:

If we sign Kidd,

1. Tony Parker lasts 15 games as starting SG, and no more than one season as a Spur

2. Our D goes from a top 3 unit to a top 10-15 unit

3. Jason Kidd puts up his lowest APG average since his rookie year (7.7, lowest since has been 8.9)

4. We don't win the midwest division

5. We get swept by the Lakers or Kings

6. The combination of scott, Aggie Hoops Fan, Iceman, Walton, and Sequ Spur start no less than 57 "At Least We Have Jason Kidd " threads

[ducks]

they are going after oneal and kidd and see who bites.

if they both bite then they have to decide who they want more.

I do not think going after kidd and oneal is stupid. You can only have one. But if you go after both of them you are telling then that you do not favor one of the other so their ego's should not be hurt.

and all the spurs players know the company lin ewin it comes to kidd. I would be VERY surprised if a player publically says they do not want kidd right now. This is where inside knowledge would be good.

question can kidd lead a team to the finals in the west?

[Ghost Writer]

Plan A: Jermaine O'Neal - max
Plan B: Elton Brand - max
Plan C: Michael Olowokandi - between MLE and the max
Plan D: PJ Brown for the MLE
Plan F: Kidd for the max


The time for Payton was to trade for him in 2001 when we had the chance. I don't see how he'd fit on the Spurs in the current scheme of things.

Popovich is going to prove twice that he can coach a Twin Tower-based team to the championship.

Logic dictates that you replace a retiring Twin Tower to mainatin the successful status quo.

Tony Parker is proving that the Spurs can win with him as their PG.

This fascination with Kidd should only occur after all other decent frontcourt free agent options are exhausted. Again, you don't turn down a superstar like Kidd if he wants to play here, but for the money and the current rotation, I think the money would be better well spent in replacing Robinson.

This has been my theory since the day the Holt-ing Pattern became public knowledge in the summer of 2001.

[Archie]

I, for one, sincerely hope the Spurs have whatever problems come with having Jason Kidd and Tim Duncan under contract for the next 6 seasons. It'll be tough, but I think I can manage.

The D won't suffer with JKidd. As for Parker's role he's been more of a scorer than a classic point during his short NBA career. Virtually every accolade heaped upon Parker has been due to his ability to shoot and score the rock. TP is not going to be defended by the opposing 2 he will still face 1s.

What team is going to prevent both JKidd and TP from penetrating with a Tim Duncan on the floor? Name one.

The Spurs would have the best transition D and O in the game.

Should the Spurs be so lucky as to sign Jason Kidd this summer then next season a fair number of currently sentimental Spurs fans will feign memory loss when it comes to their opinions on this matter.

[Archie]

Plan A: Jermaine O'Neal - max
Plan B: Elton Brand - max
Plan C: Michael Olowokandi - between MLE and the max
Plan D: PJ Brown for the MLE
Plan F: Kidd for the max

The Spurs aren't that stupid.

Olowokandi? PJ Brown? Right.

[ducks]

DOESN'T WANT KIDD:
Tim Duncan says he'd much rather see Spurs go after big man to replace David Robinson instead of signing another point guard such as Jason Kidd.
- Before Gregg Popovich and his staff decide to reach out for that certain someone or two, I assume they'll ask for your opinion?"
"Yeah, I'm sure they'll come to me and ask for my input," Duncan agreed.
"And, what do you think your team needs most?"
"We need another scorer."
"With David Robinson leaving we definitely need a big man."
"And, who would you like to replace him?"
"There's Jermaine O'Neal and Brad Miller. P.J. Brown is also out there. He'd be a nice fit, too," answered Duncan before offering a stream of accolades on behalf of restricted free agent Elton Brand, the Clippers' undersized macho forward - the starting lineup's version of Malik Rose.
"Who would you prefer? A center or a power forward?"
"That's a good question. I prefer a center," Duncan said after a brief pause.
Guess that decides that.

article written by Peter Vecseyscoop

[Ghost Writer]

Archie, you have zero clout to deem anything 'stupid'. You have to be right about something for once to have an opinion that matters.

Jason Kidd is not, was not, nor ever will be a Spur. Be gone, troll.

[Archie]

"Spurs need a credible black assistant coach."

[Ghost Writer]

Spurs Fan, they didn't need a credible black assistant coach after all. popovich started to believe in ballas all on his own. You're welcome.

[Archie]

Ha. I hope Mike Brown takes the news well that he isn't a "credible black."

[Ghost Writer]

Weak attempt to divert attention from your original weak stance, but I'll play along.

Please list Mike Brown's imprssive credentials before joining the Spurs.

<sound of crickets chirping>


The point of "the Spurs need a credible black assistant coach" was to discuss the Spurs resistance to playing young, African-American athletic players over the older, more conservative, stiff veterans.

Popovich loosened his stance this season and the results speak for themselves.

P.S.

Kidd is not a good fit here, will coast the max and can't play center.

[scott]

Kidd is not a good fit here, will coast the max and can't play center.

Why can't he play center? You are such an inside-the-box thinker, Ghost!

[Archie]

The point of "the Spurs need a credible black assistant coach" was to discuss the Spurs resistance to playing young, African-American athletic players over the older, more conservative, stiff veterans.

Yeah like that young African-Argentinian Manu Ginobili, eh?

[Ghost Writer]

No, like Speedy Claxton and Stephen Jackson.

Kidd's not coming, apl. Never was.

Still dodging the original issue, huh, Arch?

[Archie]

I haven't dodged anything. And that type of criticism is rather rich coming from you.

[Ghost Writer]

Then get back to the topic.

Why are you still so stuck on Kidd?



Question.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Arch,

for Parker's role he's been more of a scorer than a classic point during his short NBA career. Virtually every accolade heaped upon Parker has been due to his ability to shoot and score the rock.

It's kind of hard to be a great set up man when you have to throw it into Duncan every time down, don't you think?

Given the chance I think he'd do fine setting up his teammates, but that's not what he's asked to do, and not what he does.

AHF

[Archie]

Why are you still so stuck on Kidd?

For the 12,345th time...the Spurs must make a major acquisition this summer. This is their last real chance to do so for the next decade. How many times did the Spurs have cap flexibility like this in the David Robinson era? You guys act like the Spurs can afford to pass on a top player like Kidd. They can't. The Spurs are in no position whatsoever to start passing on a great player like Kidd simply because he doesn't perfectly fit their lineup. Passing on a Kidd-Duncan tandem for the next 6 years is something this franchise cannot afford to do when the alternative is crap like Olowokandi or Brad Miller.

As much as some of you bag on Pop, he would be laughed out of the NBA if he did such a thing. Parker's a nice player but of course it is a little easier being a nice player when your teammate is the best player in the NBA. Switch Parker and Kidd in this series and do you really think that Parker would be performing as well as he has?

Again, the Spurs must get a top free agent this summer...Kidd/JO'Neal/Brand/Payton. They cannot afford to sit with a thumb in their ass as some of you geniuses are suggesting they should.

[Ghost Writer]

Arch, you are half right.

Parker is doing this well, because he has Duncan to be the focal point of the Nets' defense.

Kidd > Parker

Having said that, the Spurs absolutely do NOT have to acquire a star for the sake of acquiring any old star.

That may have been true a month ago, but not since the Spurs improbable run for a second le in the Twin Towers Era.

This ring will prove that a team built around Tim Duncan and a nucleus of Parker-Ginobili-Jackson-Rose and a capable center like Robinson is good enough to win it all.

J. O'Neal and Elton Brand are superstars.

Olowokandi and PJ Brown are not, but they are still every bit as good as Robinson is now and would not command a max salary.

Either way, a big man is coming to San Antonio at the appropriate salary to replace/upgrade the vacancy in the front court left by a retiring Robinson.

Logic dictates that if you upgrade the only position you'll be losing froma championship-caliber team, you're inproving upon a le team.

This is happening whether you like it or not, SpursFan/Marcus/Arch.

[Archie]

No surprise that you favor passing on an all-NBA First Team member for manure like Olowokandi or Miller.

This is the last time this decade that the Spurs will be able to add a player of Kidd's caliber. The Spurs won't pass on him should be want to come to SA.

[scott]

This is the last time this decade that the Spurs will be able to add a player of Kidd's caliber.

At least until next year when they could add the UFA Elton Brand...

[Archie]

Not if they retain SJackson and Claxton this summer.

[Ghost Writer]

You're misguided, Arch.

You do realize that the Spurs are two wins away from a le and the only player in the rotation we'll be losing is Robinson, right?

"Manure" like PJ Brown and Michael Olowokandi will give everything Robinson gave this past season and more for about the same price or less than Robinson if the Spurs decide to go that route.

O'Neal or Brand will satisfy your hard-on for another scoring star.

Forget Kidd, kid.

[ducks]

do you really need to max out a guy to dump it in to duncan?(a.h. emailed me that) I know kidd can do more then that .kidd can rebound and is a veteran and gets breaks from the refs. Kidd can create but parker can to. but if parker is mvp of the finals then parker should get breaks from the refs next year.