and we're on to round six for thomas aquinas and his elder statesman aristotle.
patrick davis, if i'm a math teacher, your takes look like a dishonest algebra test to me.
you get the answer right, but the work you show is all wrong.
i don't want kidd either, so we agree on that.
but when you say stuff like if we get him, duncan becomes k-mart...
i mean come on patrick. you've got to stop writing things like that or kori's going to consider making you a special guest referee at fullsportpress wrestling events rather than a contributing writer.
Parker could drive, but he will have no jump shot.
How will Kidd make Duncan any better. Duncan can score while stopped. It might give him 3ppg more on good looks. Is Kidd worth 3 points a game to Tim. 3 points Parker will be able to get him in a few years.
There is no point in signing a point guard when we have Tony Parker. We have much bigger holes that need to be filled than at the guard. Why waste money when we have actual problem areas.
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So what happened to his .461 FG%? Then how is it that he is shooting .355 behind the arc?Parker could drive, but he will have no jump shot.
So you are saying that his shot will leave because another ALL-NBA 1st Teamer is brought into the fold? You're basically telling us that those 500 jumpers over the summer won't matter because Kidd will be the primary ball-handler. I don't agree.
Ahhh Youth Naivete :dog Ignorance is bliss.
PD-There is much to learn beyond observation.
Timvp has got you and he is doing what Tim Duncan does, leading you to a place you can't possibly win.
It's just not something you do to a championship team. Especially one that is clicking with it's chemistry. We're looking like the Lakers 3 years ago but Younger. IMO Sign a capable center (Rasho) and plan to take care of your team (Manu, SJax)
Ahhh Youth Naivete :dog Ignorance is bliss.
PD-There is much to learn beyond observation.
It doesn't make sense to turn down a top five player. You fit them in wherever you can.
To turn them down is simple minded.
Guys what's with this bravado of your guru knowledge? There are many knowledgeable people who don't think we should get Kidd:
Walton, Barkley, SElliot, DRob, TTolbert
It's not a no brainer by any stretch...
NO KIDD!!!!! We do not need the wife beater, Parker will end up being the top pointguard in the NBA in 4 yrs. Kidd will be retired then.
I think Kidd is definitely an asset. Do we need him right now? Probably not. Might we need him in the near or even distant future? Maybe. What do we have to lose by signing Kidd? Really, what are the other viable FA options? I mean REALISTICALLY? I agree we need a good center to fill the position after this season, but look at the line up we use now (which happens to be working quite well, I might add). David isn't getting that many minutes in his old age, yet we seem to be tearing almost everyone up!
Why?
Could it be that Pop is finally seeing that a little offense and some plays mixed in with his hard stance on DEFENSE is actually a good thing? I think so.
So what do we have to lose? What could we gain?
I think it could work.
we lose 12.5 million in cap space. we lose a being able to pay a better big. we lose Manu or TPark or Sjax (or 2 of the three).
Does anyone's stance on Kidd (or free agents in general) change if the Spurs win the Championship THIS season??
Whether we win the championship or not, I think that we should get the best players we can. If Tony, Manu, and SJax just put on an absolute show during the playoffs then I might reconsider about Kidd, but I'm going to have to be "shocked and awed."
my stance has already changed...
I am now 100% convinced that adding J O'Neal to the current team allowing a Duncan/O'Neal/Rose/Scola rotation at the 4/5 is a recipe for a dynasty...
Freak: I never said Duncan would turn into K-Mart. I said the Spurs would look like the Nets with Duncan INSTEAD of K-Mart. Yes, that is a step up.
MIB: Have you ever tried to take a jump shot over a guy who has 6 inches on you? Its very hard to get a decent shot off. Tony gets open jump shots this season because of double teams and his quick shot off the dribble when bringing the ball up. Everyone will double off of Kidd if he is here, Kidd doesn't have that great of a shot. Calling me naive because we have differing view points is close-minded and silly. So are you conceding that If we don't sign Kidd this summer that you are naive and ignorant?
Also, I would like to know how many people here have watched multiple Nets games. I watch him every chance I get so I will know his game better. I don't have NBA league pass so I can only watch him so much. But I think some people are basing their opinions of things they have read and seen on tv. Don't forget, you disagree with these journalists when they say that Spurs will lose to the Lakers, but trust them when it is something you want to hear. Watch his games, watch Spurs games. They don't play close to the same way. I don't think Kidd will fit here. I know Parker does.
It's a tough choice but Kidd still is too good a player to not look into getting. But if Duncan doesn't want him, SCREW 'EM
If the Spurs win it all, I think you maintain the rotation as much as you can. Why mess with success? Why change a formula that works? You focus on getting a true center replacement for DRob, e.g., B. Miller, Rasho, or Kandi in order of preference. You keep Claxton. You don't waste the rest of the cap space because you have two up and coming stars, Parker and Manu, and quality players focused on improving each season (Rose, Bowen, SJax, TD, of course). You "save" money now in anticipation of having to "spend" it in 2005 when Parker and Manu start making big money. You think about what to do for the players getting up there in age (Willis, Kerr, maybe even Bowen), but these will likely be min salary slots or maybe draft picks.Does anyone's stance on Kidd (or free agents in general) change if the Spurs win the Championship THIS season??
PFC, that was a tongue-in-cheek reference in response to what Patrick Davis said. I used his words against himGuys what's with this bravado of your guru knowledge?
As far as would I think differently if the Spurs win the Championship, I think the answer would be yes. It would be hard to completely re-work a team that just won it all. But a key thing to remember is cap space like this comes along only once in a blue moon, so you have to take advantage of it.
It will be a fine line to walk.
my bad. I got to cool it... :shock I'm high strung :pc2
Kidd has now said he's staying in NJ. Read papers outside of SA.
MIB:Explain Allen Iverson, explain Jason Terry, explain David Wesley. 3 players different strengths...ALL 6'2 and all very capable guards. Tony should have shown you all by now that he is capable of relinquishing the ball at times. Bruce Bowen had 7 assists last night how does that happen? Tim Duncan gets a triple-double, what happened there? Speedy Claxton in 3 quarters almost got a triple-double,would've if Tim didn't steal his rebound. Get my drift? Pop's offense of share the ball has made TP at times a SG. Many of his tear drops are off passes from Manu or Tim. In short, Tony just didn't walk up the ball and then drive the paint to take the shot, he passed off first and in the flow, got the ball back to take the shot. He'd do the same thing next year as well.Have you ever tried to take a jump shot over a guy who has 6 inches on you? Its very hard to get a decent shot off. Tony gets open jump shots this season because of double teams and his quick shot off the dribble when bringing the ball up.Everyone will double off of Kidd if he is here, Kidd doesn't have that great of a shot.
Read my sig when it comes to Kidd's greatest strength.
I have league pass and I can watch up to 40 games weekly, I've been watching the Nets, Dallas, LAL, LAC, New Orleans, Indiana, and all the teams that have restricted and Unrestricted Free Agent talent worth getting. You not having league pass works a bit against you. If you had it, you might start seeing how hard Kidd works. You'd see the high rebound totals, the ball-hawk D on the perimeter and many games of double figure assists due to pin point passing.Also, I would like to know how many people here have watched multiple Nets games. I watch him every chance I get so I will know his game better. I don't have NBA league pass so I can only watch him so much.
Thats human nature but in case you didn't notice, Parker's play of late has been more in the mold of shooting guard. How many times have we seen him look off open cutters to see the tear drop or jump shot fall? I'm not the only one here who has seen that. You have to acknowledge that. Just this last week, he looked off Manu who had an easy lane to the hoop just to challenge 3 people to get the circus shot. Another time, he could've dropped down a pss to Dave but took a fadeaway J instead. SG moves. I'm happy that the shots go in and that he didn't get hurt but if he makes those passes... NO issues, a great assist to TP and 2 easy points to Manu or Dave.
But I think some people are basing their opinions of things they have read and seen on tv. Don't forget, you disagree with these journalists when they say that Spurs will lose to the Lakers, but trust them when it is something you want to hear. Watch his games, watch Spurs games. They don't play close to the same way. I don't think Kidd will fit here. I know Parker does.
I'm not saying I'm a guru, I'm just putting in my 2 cents. I can honestly tell you this. I've been watching this PRO Game since the mid 70's. I can tell you a lot about this game and the players who have played it. That time spent wasn't just entertainment to me, its a full blown obsession. 28 years of watching this game has given me a bit of insight. Insight I'd like to share.
If you asked me about JK, I can tell you that if Kidd did come, San Antonio would be pencilled in as the FAVORITE for 2003-2004. If you asked me about Jermaine O'Neal, I'd tell you that he is a viable big with great skill but that he doesn't seem to be as big a team character guy like Kidd is.
I can also tell you that that Timvp knows his hoops as well. How many of us can honestly say we've at least played compe ive COLLEGE BALL? At point guard no less.
I called you naive because I felt that you needed to expand yourself a bit. I enjoy your articles. They have a nice hometown slant. I feel that that slant needs to be skewed so you can see the whole picture. If you skew a little, you may then see Kidd as a possible addition and not a player who will distract. Great players make great teams even if the fit isn't quite right.
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Damn.
Read that post and learn2
Exactly. There are two players who can carry a team available this summer...GP and Kidd. O'Neal is a great talent but he's not the type who can take over a game. Granted, this is like comparing a BMW and an Aston Martin to a Cadillac...the difference is important, yet slight. I'd be happy with any of the 3. But with JO'Neal the Spurs will have to look elsewhere for an offensive 2nd option.
If Brand entered the equation, would you take him before either Kidd, GP or O'Neal?
Great post MIB, and just to clarify, I gotta a lot of respect for timvp's basketball knowledge.
Parker isn't a shooting guard. He is the Spurs point guard and the Spurs have asked him to take shots to take pressure off of Duncan. Parker is still improving and Kidd is past his prime. If you want a dynasty, you need players to build around. Duncan is one, but both Kidd and Payton won't be around long enough to make us favorites for long. O'Neal will be turning 25 next season, while Kidd will be turning 31. We can shape O'Neal into exactly what I want. Kidd will try and shape the Spurs into what he wants. He doesn't fit, theres no sense trying to make him fit.
If the Spurs could sign Kidd for three years I would be all for him. But I would hate for the Spurs to be paying this guy between $15 and 20 million per year when 36 and 37 years old. Energy players like him are ineffective once they lose a step.
Payton could be signed for a whole lot less and for two or three years. He can play equally well at the PG or SG spot. He is a reliable shooter. He has all the skills Kidd has but has been playing in the Varsity conference. I don't think Kidd would be talked about as a lock for a max contract if he was playing on a Western Conference team.
:brotha
If Brand enters the equation, then we have quite the conundrum. He is like Malik Supersized
Has a great outside shot, can spin to left for a jump shot or spin to the right for an easy jump hook. I like him more than I like O'Neal because he has always been a "TEAM" 1st guy and his long arms allow him to play taller than he really is. Do I want him over Kidd? NO, but the gap isn't that large. If we got any of the premium FA's mentioned in this thread PLUS a solid role player, then the mins. I'm coo.
Three or four years would be good, but there is no way that Kidd would ever go for it.If the Spurs could sign Kidd for three years I would be all for him.
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