Raise #6 To The Rafters Now!!!

[SequSpur]

a manu tres'

[Mr. Defense]

A couple of points from me:

-Avery Johnson was a ty point guard.
-Tpark is right that the standards of jersey retirement would have to be thrown out in order for Avery's number to be retired.
-What happens at home should stay at home.

fair enough, That's YOUR opinion.

now a few points of my own, i wish to make.

1st AJ was NOT a ty point guard. He helped lead this team and he made clutch baskets. He even attacks the rim better than Tony Parker does, although not as quick. BTW, the NEXT Clutch shot Tony hits in the Finals will be his 1st.

2nd. Who's Standards? Yours? TParks?

You once called Manu, Manure. You said it was over when our Spurs lost 1 game to the Nuggest in the playoffs last year. Tpark said it was over vs. Seattle. Then did he learn his lesson? Nope. Said it was over vs Detroit too.

And then took it further by saying ' the Spurs'.

For Shame.

I'll tell you this.
AVERY epitomizes the Spurs Standard for excellence and Achievement
in the face of all odds.

You people are BLINDED by Stats.

People like you give Players like Kobe more credit than Players like Bruce Bowen.

Bowen has more heart.

Avery is All Heart.

I GUARANTEE YOU David Robinson would LOVE to have AJ up there.

I GUARANTEE YOU Sean Elliot would LOVE to have AJ up there.

If AJ is Good enough for THEM?

Then it's good enough for me as well.

And it's DAMN SURE Good enough for ALL TRUE SPURS FANS.

cuz if not? check youself, and don't let the door hit you on the ass either.

[T Park]

as for MY Business at home? That's NONE of yours from this point on

No problem.

Just don't bring it in the forum anymore.

Avery Johnson was a ty point guard

He wasn't ty.

But, he wasnt jersey retirement good.

From everyone I have talked to who has attended a GTG, I have heard TPark is quieter than a graveyard. Dude, anyone can be a hardass on the internet. Step up big man.

Thats because no one I have a beef with comes to the GTGs.

Sequ??

I know hes all hot air, and have never threatened him.

[T Park]

cuz if not? check youself, and don't let the door hit you on the ass either.

So, if you don't think AJ's number is retireable, we should leave???


Get a new line jack.

Tpark said it was over vs. Seattle. Then did he learn his lesson? Nope. Said it was over vs Detroit too.

Oh yeah, I learned my lesson.

Big bad ol wittle t park boy what a meany.



Two words Scooter, MOVE ON.

[ThugJohnson]

So, if you don't think AJ's number is retireable, we should leave???


Get a new line jack.



Oh yeah, I learned my lesson.

Big bad ol wittle t park boy what a meany.



Two words Scooter, MOVE ON.

Man TPizzle, you got so much hate in you, your bloated.

Did I slap yo mama or somethin?

I helped bring home a Championship to the team you supposedly cheer for, although i know your on again off again.

And don't be calling people 'Jack' or 'Scooter' kay.

Those are really really offensive.

[The Hustler]

Two words Scooter, MOVE ON.

YOU FIRST, 'scooter'.


why don't you scoot your ass to a forum that suits you.

try www.bandwagonassholes.com

[Tek_XX]

I think AJ is a maverick now, he doesn't seem to be to thankful to the Spurs for giving him a chance. And i agree the Spurs have the weakest requirments for retiring a jersey.

[bigzak25]

he doesn't seem to be to thankful to the Spurs for giving him a chance.

ok. i hear what you are saying. but could you provide some substance behind that comment. Some quotes of AJ's or some negative feeling or actions that he may have displayed towards our Spurs. Thanks in advance.

[Trainwreck2100]

Avery should hang from the rafters, a fitting punishment for traitors.




It works on pirates too.






And people impersonating clerics of the state.

[whottt]

ok. i hear what you are saying. but could you provide some substance behind that comment. Some quotes of AJ's or some negative feeling or actions that he may have displayed towards our Spurs. Thanks in advance.

THey're sending a boy to do a man's job - Avery Johnson on Tony Parker

These words have long since been shoved up AJ's ass by Tony Parker and the Spurs.

Let him make his own number - Avery Johnson upon hearing the Spurs had yanked the #6 jersey out of rookie guard Manu Ginbili's hands after excessive fan ing aboutthe Spurs *accidentally* giving Manu Ginobili his #6 jersey.

Likewise....these words too have since been shoved up Avery Johnson's ass(and how), by the mercurial Ginobili.

Other great moments in AJ history...bullying second year player Malik Rose, including a shoutdown episode where he went off saying, "it's my team".

Um no er...this was never your team, this was David Robinson's team, this was Tim Duncan's team, this was George Gervin's team...but it was never ing Avery ing Johnson's team, no matter how much bigger your mouth was than your game...and it is only by the grace of David Robinson that you had as much of a career as you did...I think you for Mario Elie, I only wish you could have done it sooner, like say, 1995,...and brought along Sam Casell as well..


Getting a chip on his shoulder over, correctly, losing his starting job to Terry Porter in 2001...compounding that selfish and unspurlike move by then getting schelacked by Derek Fisher in the 2001 WCF...


Taking the money and running in 2001...you notice you didn't hear anyone saying they missed him...and it took us what...a year to win a le with a 20 year old playing his position?


Oh yeah...and going to our arch ing enemy as an assistant coach when he was offered the same position here...He didn't just go to any team...he went to our #1 ing instate nemesis...

AJ's an asshole. Face it...this guy about as much of a true Spur as Karl Malone.

I propose a compromise...how about we move all the retired jersey's to the mensroom and not retire Avery's? It'll still destroy the concept of retired Jersey's like the AJ fans want...only it'll still leave them with the tiniest singularity of respectability...

Ahh I guess I ask too much of the AJ fans...they obviously don't want any respectability for those jerseys.

[SequSpur]

Praise to Ala Whott.

:kneel

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs organization has already nearly came out and said that AJ's jersey will be retired soon. He was a great leader while he was here. He wasn't the best point guard around, but he fought hard and he was a winner.

He's very respected within the organization and very close to Pop, David Robinson, and most other key people within the Spurs.

I'm not a huge AJ fan, but the AJ haters need to get used to the fact that his jersey WILL be going up. I'm guessing it will be next season.

[Trainwreck2100]

The Spurs organization has already nearly came out and said that AJ's jersey will be retired soon. He was a great leader while he was here. He wasn't the best point guard around, but he fought hard and he was a winner.

He wasn't even in the top 15 best in the league, any of the years he played, ever.

[Kori Ellis]

He wasn't even in the top 15 best in the league, any of the years he played, ever.

Really?

How about the season he averaged over 13 points on 50 percent shooting and 9.6 apg? He wasn't in the top 15 that year?

Stop talking nonsense.

[SequSpur]

Avery was a decent point guard, a great community guy and he was on the 99 team.

He still doesn't deserve jersey retirement.

Statistics do come into play and Whott does bring up some valid reasons.

You could make an argument that if the Spurs had a better point guard, they would've, could've, should've won more.

[whottt]

The Spurs organization also gave Manu Ginobili AJ's jersey upon his signing...

In the immortal words of Greg Poppovich at the press conference, AS he handed that jersey to Manu...

"The last guy that wore this jersey hit a shot to win a le"...

Yeap...the Spurs always intended to retire his jersey...and the Harris mafia had nothing to do with it.


I have long accepted the fact that AJ's jersey was going to hang, I consoled myself with the fact that others had felt before as I do know...like say all the people in Germany circa 1933, that weren't Nazis...

But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

AJ was, and is, a little bully, who picks on younger players and tries to indimidate them to make himself feel like a bigman, who takes advantage of the gestures of nice guys to put himself over as something special, while putting them down...He gets away with it because, well frankly, he's funny, he looks funny, he talks funny, but the intent behind his words is seen easily enough, as are his comments when looked at without the benefit of Silver and Black lenses...

There is nothing about this guy, that he did for this organization, that this organization didn't do for him as well tenfold, and there is nothing that makes him a great Spur...Yes he worked hard, yes he knows the game, but he's still nothing but a little bully in my eyes...no matter how funny he talks...and he never exhibited anything remotely close to loyalty to this organization IMO... Rasho took a paycut to come here...when did AJ ever take a paycut? He took the $$$ and flipped the bird at both this organization and rookie players that never did a damn thing to him...that's AJ...no matter how funny he talks.

[T Park]

How about the season he averaged over 13 points on 50 percent shooting and 9.6 apg? He wasn't in the top 15 that year?

Agreed.

He was pretty damn good that year.

For a while Avery was neck and neck with some of the best.

But 2 or 3 good years doesn't equal a jersey retirement.


ive come to grips with it, but Im still not going to like it.

In the immortal words of Greg Poppovich at the press conference, AS he handed that jersey to Manu...

"The last guy that wore this jersey hit a shot to win a le"...

I remember Don Harris riding pop's ass on that quote and then saying

"Who the is Manu Ginobili?? Hes nothing, and prob wont amount to much."

DONTCHA JUST WISH HE WAS ON THE RADIO AGAIN SO WE COULD BRING THIS UP!!!!


Damn, missed my chance.

[Victor Newman]

Whottt , did Avery turn you down for an auto? It sounds like your bitter about something.

[whottt]

Whottt , did Avery turn you down for an auto? It sounds like your bitter about something.

Well he pretty much crapped on my franchise worse than Derek Anderson or Dennis Rodman ever did...

But more importantly he spawned a breed of fan this say crap like this:

He didn't do anything but be the Vocal Leader when David Robinson was too soft to do it.

I didn't really hate AJ until people cannonized him for talking funny and started trying to cram his jersey down my throat...and dissing DRob trying to put him over...like he himself did.

I'll stomach(not accept) AJ's jersey hanging up there if he man's up and says he owes his ing career to Drob, thus straightening out his deranged fan base...but he's not going to do that...because he's AJ.

[bigzak25]

whottt, accept it, or don't.

nobody is gonna give a either way.

The Jersey will hang soon.

And Spursfans will Cheer.

You'll be one of the few bitter aholes with a tear in your beer. Ain't it Great!

Well he pretty much crapped on my franchise worse than Derek Anderson or Dennis Rodman ever did.

Peter Holt? Is that you?

what is this your franchise ?

This is OUR team. And since you have hate for the Starting PG on our 1st Championship team. Your opinion in this thread is null and void.

But good job whottt. You got Tpark and Sequ in your back pocket. You must be doing something right....riiiiight.

[SequSpur]

Let's see, according to methodology of reason to retires Avery's number, then the following Spurs should have the same bestowage of jersey retirage:

Tony Parker
Bruce Bowen
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Robert Horry

What about former Spurs that gave alot to the community and played multiple years as a Spur?

As far as I am concerned, Pop gave that number away to Manu and his followers cried like beyitches.

[Tek_XX]

So if you disagree with hangin the jersey, you're a hater. Sorry but the spurs need to grow up when it comes to hangin jerseys, we're starting to hang banners, we're not small time ABA here any longer. We hit the big time and only the big time players need to hang up there.

AJ needs to hang up in the Dallas Arena, cause that's clearly where his allegiance lies, and i think he could care less about the Spurs.

[bigzak25]

Let's see, according to methodology of reason to retires Avery's number, then the following Spurs should have the same bestowage of jersey retirage:

Tony Parker
Bruce Bowen
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Robert Horry

What about former Spurs that gave alot to the community and played multiple years as a Spur?

As far as I am concerned, Pop gave that number away to Manu and his followers cried like beyitches.

If I had my way? Yeah, Bruce's and Manu's will hang right next to TD's one day.


Parker ain't done yet. Horry is a mercenary. I'd hang steve kerr's before Horry's.

[bigzak25]

So if you disagree with hangin the jersey, you're a hater. Sorry but the spurs need to grow up when it comes to hangin jerseys, we're starting to hang banners, we're not small time ABA here any longer. We hit the big time and only the big time players need to hang up there.

AJ needs to hang up in the Dallas Arena, cause that's clearly where his allegiance lies, and i think he could care less about the Spurs.

yes yes, so your insecure cuz Avery is coach of the Mavs. we get it.

what are you 12?

grow up.

Avery is Man.

He wanted to coach.

Last i checked, the Spurs got a coach.

So AJ stayed in TEXAS, since his home is in houston, i believe, and got a job.

You think the Spurs are bigtime? Just cuz we got 3 Obriens now?

Then you don't KNOW Spurs basketball.

It's all about being humble dawg. Go root for the Lakers.

[Mark in Austin]

As far as I am concerned, Pop gave that number away to Manu and his followers cried like beyitches.

True.