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    The american poor have hope in this country if they let go of vice and straighten their priorities.
    the poor in 3rd world countries don't.

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    The american poor have hope in this country if they let go of vice and straighten their priorities.
    the poor in 3rd world countries don't.
    only rich kids should enjoy the fun stuff; just ask dubya. (snort...snort....)

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    Ok, since you're half way past dumb and , why don't you propose subsidizing crack to poor urban kids?

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    Not to sound like a socalist (which I am very much not) but I've read several theories that, if the wealth were "redistributed" (god I hate that word) a bit to raise the standard of living across the board in the region, the type of extremism that finds violence a viable solution to further one's agenda might have a harder time taking root. Not to mention improving their educational system. Thoughts?
    Worked for President Clinton, trouble is, nobody in Iraq knows where the Iraq interm government's money from oil sales is located. It's certainly not in Iraqi coffeers.

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    Please don't make this a diatribe about what WON'T or ISN'T working...

    The problem is that there is growing number of Islamic radicalist who hate America, the West, Christianity, etc....

    The islamicists have carried out numerous deadly attacks against America, it's military and its interests over the past 20 years.

    These people that hate America don't have physical or national boundaries, their stronghold is certainly the Middle East, but they have toe-holds now in Western Europe.

    Their stated goal is our cessation of being (basically a genocidal orthodoxy).

    Assuming most of us don't want to be exterminated...What should we do about this?

    A stronghold is the ME? WTF? Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and other ME countries certainly have elements of radical Islamic organizations, but they are far from a strangle-hold on the dominant moderate Arabs. There are millions of Muslims in the ME, Indonesia and other parts of SE Asia, and only a small fraction are Islamic militants.

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    ^Your are naive my freind. BRitish polls showed that 3/4ths of arab population sympathize with the london bombers. In Jordan more than half of the population supported al zarqawi before the bombings, all of palestine and lebanon as well as syria support Hamas.

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    Worked for President Clinton, trouble is, nobody in Iraq knows where the Iraq interm government's money from oil sales is located. It's certainly not in Iraqi coffeers.
    President clinton didn't redistribute wealth. We were still a capatilist country under his office. He even cut capital gains tax, and the rich got even richer under his boom. During his tenure was witnessed the fastest deployment of high tech jobs. Clinton did nothing to stop that, and couldn't do it if he wanted to.

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    A stronghold is the ME? WTF? Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and other ME countries certainly have elements of radical Islamic organizations, but they are far from a strangle-hold on the dominant moderate Arabs. There are millions of Muslims in the ME, Indonesia and other parts of SE Asia, and only a small fraction are Islamic militants.
    First, I didn't claim that the Jihadist's were the majority in the ME - I said that was their "stonghold" - meaning they are more established there than any other place in the world.

    Do you want to debate that point?

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    I wrote a faux-speech by the President.

    Basically, stick to our guns. Tell it like it is to the American people and the leaders of the world. Terrorism will not end. But, with that in mind, it is a war we will fight. Any and all countries who do not actively search and remove / destroy said elements will be treated as a combative enemy.

    The days of the US "holding your hands" in the search of these criminals is over. If / When it is discovered that a known criminal is in your country, you will be notified, daily updates are required as to the progression of your search. If those updates are not satisfactory, then we are coming to remove them for you, with or without your permission. Got a problem with that? Try and stop us. Period.

    I admit it isnt exactly a solution, but it is proactive. Iraq wasnt known to be a haven for terrorism (unlike Iran), so the reasons for going in were bull to say the least. But if Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc cant do it themselves, then we shall do it for them. If we have to break a few eggs to do that, so be it.

    Thats my opinion anyway. No more police forces...use the military for what it is...a killing machine. Our troops are not trained policemen, they are trained for war. When they are activated, they should be acting upon their training. When the mission to remove said individuals is done (known targets eliminated from specific regions), they come home. Fast, quick and clean.

    Terrorists will know that they are no longer safe anywhere. The US will deliver extreme prejudice inside or outside its own borders. None of this occupying countries crap either...search and destroy missions, at home and abroad at our discretion.

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    I wrote a faux-speech by the President.

    Basically, stick to our guns. Tell it like it is to the American people and the leaders of the world. Terrorism will not end. But, with that in mind, it is a war we will fight. Any and all countries who do not actively search and remove / destroy said elements will be treated as a combative enemy.

    The days of the US "holding your hands" in the search of these criminals is over. If / When it is discovered that a known criminal is in your country, you will be notified, daily updates are required as to the progression of your search. If those updates are not satisfactory, then we are coming to remove them for you, with or without your permission. Got a problem with that? Try and stop us. Period.

    I admit it isnt exactly a solution, but it is proactive. Iraq wasnt known to be a haven for terrorism (unlike Iran), so the reasons for going in were bull to say the least. But if Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc cant do it themselves, then we shall do it for them. If we have to break a few eggs to do that, so be it.

    Thats my opinion anyway. No more police forces...use the military for what it is...a killing machine. Our troops are not trained policemen, they are trained for war. When they are activated, they should be acting upon their training. When the mission to remove said individuals is done (known targets eliminated from specific regions), they come home. Fast, quick and clean.

    Terrorists will know that they are no longer safe anywhere. The US will deliver extreme prejudice inside or outside its own borders. None of this occupying countries crap either...search and destroy missions, at home and abroad at our discretion.

    The equal and opposite approach to: "Pull out and negotiate rationally with them".


    Although, DR, it would REALLY piss off the French and Jimmy Carter.

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    Ok, since you're half way past dumb and , why don't you propose subsidizing crack to poor urban kids?
    they should just let jesus into their hearts. That's probably your solution.

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    ^^^ Actually all they need do is:

    1. Graduate High School.
    2. Don't get married or have a child before 21
    3. Don't be a criminal
    4. Get a job

    (There's a whole thread about this)

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    ^^^ Actually all they need do is:

    1. Graduate High School.
    2. Don't get married or have a child before 21
    3. Don't be a criminal
    4. Get a job

    (There's a whole thread about this)

    you're a horrible alter. most alters try to hide their true iden y. you're obviously gtown.

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    Who the is GTown?

    I am not him.

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    BTW gtownspur - is that Georgetown, Texas.

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    Who the is GTown?

    I am not him.

    sure.

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    ^^^ Actually all they need do is:
    1. Reinstate the draft
    2. Graduate High School.
    3. Don't get married or have a child before 21
    4. Don't be a criminal
    5. Get a job
    6. Get the of places where you have nothing to do

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    ^^^ Actually all they need do is:
    1. Reinstate the draft

    Yeah, I guess the more poor people you send to die in war....

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    Yeah, I guess the more poor people you send to die in war....
    ....the less poor people to burden this economy with!

    Damn, those "Become a Republican in Just Two Weeks" tapes are really working!

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    ....the less poor people to burden this economy with!

    Damn, those "Become a Republican in Just Two Weeks" tapes are really working!
    well...no.

    Poor people will die, and rich people (the republican patriots) would die also. Draft makes fellowship between veterans. I am not a Republican. We got proffesional army a year before I could get drafted and see every day what kind of propaganda is now forced on religious groups for soldiers for money.

    Republican? I do not care about the poor when i count the dead. I care only for longer peace between wars.

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    Look at point No.6 of my list

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