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Speak English? Most would understand sometimes words are left out by mistakeAs far as #12 picks, please list the others….. I clearly referenced 20. I’ll wait sir.
2020 - Tyrese Halliburton
2019 - PJ Washington
2018 - Miles Bridges
2017 - Donovan Mitchel (13th)
Next time, try to learn how to speak english
Speak English? Most would understand sometimes words are left out by mistake
2019 PJ Washington, Kentucky – Charlotte Hornets
2018 Miles Bridges, Michigan State University – Charlotte Hornets
2017 Luke Kennard, Duke – Detroit Pistons
2016 Taurean Prince, Baylor – Utah Jazz
2015 Trey Lyles, Kentucky – Utah Jazz
2014 Dario Saric, Croatia – Orlando Magic
2013 Steven Adams, Pittsburgh – Oklahoma City Thunder
2012 Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut – Houston Rockets
2011 Alec Burks, Colorado – Utah Jazz
2010 Xavier Henry, Kansas – Memphis Grizz
2009 Gerald Henderson, Duke – Charlotte Bobcats
2008 Jason Thompson, Rider – Sacramento Kings
2007 Thaddeus Young, Georgia Tech – New Orleans Hornets
2006 Hilton Armstrong, Connecticut – New Orleans Hornets
2005 Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow – L.A. Clippers
2004 Robert Swift, Bakersfield HS (Calif.) – Seattle Supersonics
2003 Nick Collison, Kansas – Seattle Supersonics
2002 Melvin Ely, Fresno State – L.A. Clippers
2001 Vladimir Radmanovic, Serbia & Montenegro – Seattle Supersonics
2000 Etan Thomas, Syracuse – Dallas Mavericks
You're one of the few people who pay enough attention to free throw rate. It takes a toll on the opponent, obviously. But if the defense needs to foul to contain you, it says you're able to put pressure on them.
The single biggest thing to move Primo up a level, IMO, is strength. Muscle. He's got the stroke. He gets pushed off his shot too much. He can't absorb contact on his way to the hole, so he gets stopped instead of drawing fouls. And he winds up taking too many of his shots from out beyond the arc, to avoid that contact.
Getting stronger isn't what will make him better, but it's what would allow him to use his talent. I think Pop gave him all those minutes at SF specifically to toughen him, and get him used to contact from bigger players. I don't think he would have done that if they didn't really believe in Primo.
Acting like his age isn't a factor are just silly. For him, though, I think it's more body development because of his age. If he comes back this fall bigger and stronger, I think his numbers will improve.
I would hope Josh will have a better career than some these players but who knows….
Once he learns the game at this level he’ll be fine, the fact he has intangibles that can’t be taught speaks volumes.
VY54 or whoever you are, the #12 pick homie doesn’t carry the level of player quality or expectation you thought huh? Do your research next time clown!!����
It's mostly pointless to hope or brood too much at this point, given his age. The only way it would matter would be if a scenario arose where someone offered the Spurs something for him. If Trajan Langdon and David Griffin contact Brian Wright on a conference call and say, hey, we want to reunite Primo with his Alabama teammate Herb Jones-- we'll trade you Trey Murphy straight up for him.... Do you do it?
Nope. I trust our development track record….. New Orleans not so much
How is averaging slightly better assists per 36 mins than 4 notably poor passers the good? I’d hope he’s better than Keldon, Forbes and McDougal who are all score first players and terrible passers.
Langdon has been with New Orleans since 2019, and before that was a scout for four years with the Spurs. The Pelicans have three rookies getting significant minutes in the first round of the playoffs against the team with the best record in the NBA. I'd say their recent development track record looks pretty good.
I’d still rather go with the teacher than the pupil! Hopefully Josh proves me wright✊🏾
Fortune cookie says maybe
I think the point is most people are a bit upset with Primo when they should be upset with the front office. A player taken in the lottery should have talent, should be be good, but that's a choice made by management not the player. I'll admit alot of players are taken in the lottery don't exactly pan out even after 2-3 years but again they didn't ask to be taken at that spot.
With Primo the excuse is that he's very young and was a one and done. I say give the kid one more year. If he improves say 20 % in most categories then the pick was justified but if he doesn't then it becomes hard to justify keeping him for the final 2 years of his contract. Getting rid of the player is one solution, but probably the better solution is to learn from past drafting mistakes or fire the guy doing the drafting.
The spurs have screwed up a few drafts over the years but they were typically selecting towards the latter part of the draft unlike the Knicks or Sacramento who get a chance at a good selection but still screw it up. In retrospect Vassell at 11 was a decent pick. Lets hope Primo improves as well so we won't be having this conversation again one year from now.
Got nothing agin Primo
Seems nice enough kid
Front office should of done better
Should have Got a Lotto pick that filled a need
Lack of PF is glaring
Lack of size and athletic PF is and was the need
Instead we got a nice kid who is a maybe who turns it over a lot but every now and then there is a glimmer
But fortune cookie says be patient
“Size and athletic PF”
I don’t see anyone yet that was selected after Primo that fits this criteria
Jury is still out on Kai Jones, but he may not even be a PF and is a C instead
I don’t know how much time Herbert has spent at the PF position, but his ceiling may not be as high due to his age
Jury is still out on Jalen Johnson who can’t find minutes with Atlanta
Trey Murphy might be the closest
that’s it. Those are the four guys. Not sure they’re worth losing sleep over but time will tell.
The NBA game is way above the college game as far as speed, strength, physicality, conditioning, length of games and season, and also dealing with back to backs. There is also the extensive travel. So now, as an 18 year old rookie, he got a taste of all of this. He held his own. He did not seem overwhelmed or the stage too big. Still, it is evident he has a lot of growing to do. Now that he has a season to evaluate his abilities, it gives him his first true offseason to work on his game.
I have 3 areas I want him to work on. One, strength and conditioning. I want him to add some muscle mass throughout his frame to fill out his body. Second, I want him to work on his on and off ball defense. He was ok on defense as a rookie, but I want him to be great. Third, I want him to work on his 3pt shooting. Ideally, I would like to see him at least at 40%.
Of course he needs to get better people, exercise some patience and fairness.
13 isn’t 12. Each draft spot has its own odds of a player breaking out and being a star.
Here are 2 articles that discuss those odds/probabilities (The second one is probably outdated, but still interesting):
https://medium.com/@burakcankoc/what...k-2d113d6b82e5
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm
You are exactly describing DG except for the passing and the iso 3, his TO is also partly due to his ball handling not only passing and even for the passing TO some are due to his handling leading him to a desperation situation thus I said he is a DG+. DG is also confident in himself even in PO, it's only whether his ability is at the level of his confidence which is the same as Primo. Primo can have great pass once in a while but his ast/to is worse than 1.5 and DG is constantly above it. No one push for the Spurs in this forum to draft Primo at 12 and if he is on another team no one here will say he has stars potential. No need to prop him so much just bcos we drafted him at 12. He did not display any ability consistently at a great/good level yet.People don't give Primo his respect as a prospect because they underrate the things he's great (or projected to be great at), and overrate the things he's bad (or projected to be bad at). His confidence and poise being the main one.
His shot can and will get tweaked. He'll shoot better - his form is much better than it was at the start of the season, his FT shooting is not a problem, he's always been a shooter. I don't pay any mind to percentages, whereas I see posters falling over themselves - can a 19 year old ever possibly get better at shooting?! The answer is yes, of course... Him stagnating or never improving shooting-wise is literally the exception and not the rule. Ben Simmons-type players stagnate in shooting, not Primo's (lifelong shooter-first smaller guards, I mean).
What's tremendously underrated are his poise, his naturality playing the game, his creativity on-the-fly, and his control of the game. Those are things NOT every prospect, or most prospects really, can be relied on to improve. How many times do we see, each year, players who are mentally "too weak" for the playoffs? The big lights? Not Primo. He played a very controlled (though scoringly unremarkable) play-in game; sticked to his defensive assignment, knew he wasn't the one to be relied upon for scoring, just went out there and did his job. That's great for a rookie. Coachable, scalable, repeatable. All things you want in your prospects.
I hardly see people mentioning his passing game when talking about him - further yet, some posters insist he's a Danny-Green kind of player. When ever did Danny ing Green "wow" you with a creative pass or play? Literally never. He could not put the ball on the floor, literally, much less be an offensively flourishing force. Primo is completely different. His entire game is predicated on putting the ball on the floor to create opportunities - whether by ISO'ing his way onto a 3, or driving and kicking out (a staple of this Spurs team, sadly), or trying to get to the hoop (yes, I know he's not finishing well yet, yes he'll get blocked, etc). His passes miss the mark because he doesn't yet have the experience to make them consistently, but the skill is there (Manu, anyone?). His game, even as a rookie, paints a great picture of what player he wants to be. And that's where he'll be headed, as the scout says, one step at a time.
Can he bust? Of course. His handles might never develop enough to whitstand a great defense focused on him (the Linsanity special). His lack of explosive athleticism might prove too big a hamper in a league filled with athletic wonders. Injuries, of course, can never be ruled out either. But until then, he'll do the things that he's been doing, because he's that kind of player - he doesn't give a about the pressure and the outside noise. And that - you can't teach. And it separates "the guys" from the "JAGs", like my lil' Lonnie.
How am I "describing Primo" when I'm saying they're fundamentally different players? Again, Primo approximates the game through a dribbling guard's approach. He literally starts to dribble, most often, before anything else once he gets the ball beyond the 3pt line. And it's a good thing: he knows he can do a lot of good things with the ball in his hands. So, even though his low age and ballhandling ability prevents him from doing much of what he imagines, the instincts and mannerisms are all there. He might never reach Kyrie Irving-level handles, but I don't feel it's a stretch of any kind to say that he'll progress into having, at the least, league-average ballhandling.
Now Danny Green? He doesn't come close to league average handling. Literally can't drive or penetrate without getting stripped, which naturally limits him to a 3&D player - he Can't. Do. Anything. Else. That's not Primo. It hasn't been Rookie Primo, and there's no reason to believe it'll be Sop re Primo, either. Again, I'm not saying he's a surefire prospect or anything of the sort, but if he busts, it certainly won't be because he cannot dribble a basketball. Acting like his TOs (yes, some due to getting his pocket picked, but most often due to risky passes/bad passes/stupid plays) are the same as DG's is stupid, IMO.
They're just different player archetypes, and I'm against the notion of comparing both players whatsoever. Primo doesn't project to be a 3&D, and didn't coming out of college (his defense has been a relatively new revelation).
Someone else acknowledged it, but good to repeat, Primo had a bad year statistically across the board. He sucked. But I can still support him even if I still don’t love the pick. Pop seems to really like him and has a good read on players, ultimately, so I take that as a good thing. But yeah, he’s got work to do. But his instincts are good. His growth plates, however, less sure about.
I don't think Primo is too small to play SF. To be clear, he's officially listed at 6-6; the TC roster the Spurs posted is the official measurement. What you seem to mean is that he was measured at 6-4 at the combine without shoes. It's fine to use shoeless height if you also take off the height for the average NBA SF. For some reason, Primo's shoed height only adds an inch, when the standard is 1.5 inches. He's not the only player who has a different added height (Aaron Wiggins only got a half-inch somehow), but that exacerbates the difference in comparison to his draft peers. You're talking about a player who's within an inch of obvious SFs in the league today, and he looks the part. I have never looked at Josh and thought size was going to be one of his struggle points. He's plenty big, whether that's reflected in the measurements or not.
I'm not really disagreeing with the critique of his skills, mind you. I just don't think he needs to have PG skills to make it. He's very clearly a wing if not a forward rather than a combo-guard. He needs to learn to how shoot and take advantage of openings, not how to run pick-and-rolls. The Spurs need to continue to look for point-guards to play next to Murray, replace Jones and to fill in as depth. I don't see that position as Primo's future, and I hope the Spurs figure that out before it's too late.
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