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    I will add this fresh scouting to the thread. You'll see in the strenghts why he is a lottery guy.
    A great shooter with defensive liability. Don't show this to Pop

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    I've been high on him in the past, but have to admit ive become increasingly lukewarm. For his supposed "tools" the lack of defensive intensity/interest is worrisome. Plus, i think we drafted a better version of this guy last year in Josh Primo.

    Curious for a similar scouting of Johnny Davis. Its been the opposite for me with that guy: was originally down on him, but growing more interested given his midrange shot creation potential, swag, and defensive ratings. Size is obviously less than ideal.
    Same with me for Davis. I have questions, same with Mathurin, but he's coming back for me. That rebounding rate and his defense add to the interest.

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    So Banchero is who you would take at 1?
    I think he's the best fit for our current roster and would make the most immediate impact. But when it comes to long-term upside, Smith or Holmgren might be better.

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    I think he's the best fit for our current roster and would make the most immediate impact. But when it comes to long-term upside, Smith or Holmgren might be better.
    Jabari Smith for me is the best pick. Highest upside of all the prospects and great at ude. Fits a need and the culture.

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    One of the most overrated prospects.

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    https://www.spurstalk.com/aj-griffin...esses-outlook/

    I wrote a scouting report on AJ Griffin from the Spurs prospective and included a few video clips. He's a draft prospect I want to like -- but the deeper I dive, the less interested I am in him. At 9, I'd be underwhelmed.


    Wow, you're prolific these days. I thought your target of 200 articles was pretty ambitious, but at this rate it's not in doubt.

    A few monts ago, when I thought the Spurs would be picking around 13-14, and Griffin hadn't ridden up the mock draft ladder, someone asked me about Griffin. I was pretty down on him, but started running through what I had seen, and what the numbers showed, and had to say that I wouldn't hate it if the Spurs picked him. But he impressed me less as the season wore on.

    I would HATE him at #9. Without question, hate that pick. But I would really rather see the Spurs take a hard pass on him. There are too many other options, and if the Spurs really don't keep all 3 FRP's I would rather them get through the offseason without him on the roster.

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    Doesn't fit into Spurs defensive culture. Taller Forbes? Not a top pick IMO

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    I will add this fresh scouting to the thread. You'll see in the strenghts why he is a lottery guy.
    Thanks for sharing that. I can glimpse the reason he’s in the lottery now but its not a compelling case. One can’t discount completely guys that are very efficient offensively at a young age, no matter how their game looks. He is not just a stagnant jump shooter, he’ll relocate and dribble step to a 3 if he has to, and it seems like he was very good at that.

    But even his offensive highlights are underwhelming because many shots are wide open, with a few contests from guys smaller than him who cant get to his shot. His shot is slow and low, creating real concern he will not be able to get it off in the NBA quickly enough to be a volume 3 pt shooter, where his value lies.

    The injury history, the bad defense. Honestly he looks slower than SloMo Anderson, which is hard to do. I am wary of ignoring productive players regardless of how their game looks but this guy has too many red flags specially for the lottery. Anderson went 30 for comparison. He has so many red flags, from the injury history sapping all his athleticism at a young age, to him being unable to dribble past any college athlete, to the horrendous defense unable to stay in front of college athletes.

    On top of all this, the Spurs already have a similar prospect in Joshua Primo. Primo was not as efficient shooting as AJ Griffin at the same age, and Primo was a TO machine in comparison, but they are similar and Primo stands a chance at being better, while already needing to improve. Think of what altering his shot did to Primo’s efficiency this season. If Griffin ends up having to adjust his shot as well, he’ll suffer a similar hit to his usefulness and everything else that hes bad at will drive everyone crazy.

    Between the redundancy in the Spurs to the red flags, he’s a no. As an aside that fans here will resonate with, in tankathon one of his biggest pluses is youth. I am wary if that is one of your biggest pluses. I am starting to believe that youth is a plus only if the prospect already looks interesting and good to begin with.

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    I think he's the best fit for our current roster and would make the most immediate impact. But when it comes to long-term upside, Smith or Holmgren might be better.
    I don't care about current roster. The Spurs need to shoot for the highest ceiling superstar talent and that's Sharpe.

    The spurs are on at least a three year plan to turn the team into one of the better teams in the league.

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    Reminds me somewhat of a smaller Harrison Barnes. Was initially thought to be a better athlete (though this is more injury related) and shot creator than he is and instead looks more like a 3 and D type (whether he's good at it or not).

    Young, supposed "good character", a possible shooter, with a combo forward frame, seemingly checks a lot of boxes. But I agree that the Spurs need to aim higher.

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    I can see why he is in the lottery but hard pass because of injury history

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    Guy has always been low on my board when others were high on him earlier in the season, I’m glad others’ perception of him is catching up to mine.

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    Seems wild. Retiring from basketball at 21…

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    Well, I hope he's not faking and using it as an excuse to get off the Rockets, then signs with someone else of his choice 6-12 months later.

    if it's legit, I hope he gets his head right and comes back after taking some time off. He must have loved basketball enough at some point to put in all the work to get to NBA level player/athlete. I hate seeing someone waste all that talent and hard work that he's done to get here.

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    Well, I hope he's not faking and using it as an excuse to get off the Rockets, then signs with someone else of his choice 6-12 months later.

    if it's legit, I hope he gets his head right and comes back after taking some time off. He must have loved basketball enough at some point to put in all the work to get to NBA level player/athlete. I hate seeing someone waste all that talent and hard work that he's done to get here.
    Sometimes, people do what their parents push them to do. My niece married a young man who went all the way thru med school, and on the eve of his wedding, he told his parents he didn’t want to be a doctor. Mayhem ensued, and I think he wound up doing phone work or some kind of consulting.

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    He's looney toons.

    Rockets also had Royce White, also looney toons, who is the Republican candidate for Senate in Minnesota this year. Just checked White's wikipedia:

    In June 2024, he tweeted a map of drinking fountains in Minneapolis, claiming it was a map of crimes.

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    Well, I hope he's not faking and using it as an excuse to get off the Rockets, then signs with someone else of his choice 6-12 months later.

    if it's legit, I hope he gets his head right and comes back after taking some time off. He must have loved basketball enough at some point to put in all the work to get to NBA level player/athlete. I hate seeing someone waste all that talent and hard work that he's done to get here.
    Can you do that after being bought out?

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    Sometimes, people do what their parents push them to do. My niece married a young man who went all the way thru med school, and on the eve of his wedding, he told his parents he didn’t want to be a doctor. Mayhem ensued, and I think he wound up doing phone work or some kind of consulting.
    Yeah, his old man was in the NBA so probably definitely a lot of pressure to follow in Pops shoes. As I said before that draft his injury history was concerning which really hampers young players to reach potential.

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    Yeah, his old man was in the NBA so probably definitely a lot of pressure to follow in Pops shoes. As I said before that draft his injury history was concerning which really hampers young players to reach potential.
    His father was also drummed out for being a religious lunatic.

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    He's looney toons.

    Rockets also had Royce White, also looney toons, who is the Republican candidate for Senate in Minnesota this year. Just checked White's wikipedia:

    In June 2024, he tweeted a map of drinking fountains in Minneapolis, claiming it was a map of crimes.
    JFC that is so on brand for the GOP to have a lunatic like that win the primary in a state they're claiming to make inroads in.

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    His father was also drummed out for being a religious lunatic.
    He was an insecure bag who not only didn’t listen to his assistants, he humiliated former NBA HC Terry Stotts, leading to his resignation.

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    Sometimes, people do what their parents push them to do. My niece married a young man who went all the way thru med school, and on the eve of his wedding, he told his parents he didn’t want to be a doctor. Mayhem ensued, and I think he wound up doing phone work or some kind of consulting.
    Yeah, I mean, I guess I didn't look at that angle. He could have grown up with it, had the talent and went that path because that is what he was expected to do and was good at it. Maybe he never really loved it, I don't know.

    Interesting story about your niece's husband. Hopefully they are doing well with whatever he's doing now. If I had started something like that (med school), not sure I'd have the guts to pull out of something like that to follow a true passion that might not work out. It's especially interesting that he completed it, so it wasn't an issue of not being able to do it/finish it, so it's much harder to change course when you're at that point.

    Anyway, the point of me saying that, it's easy to quit when you're not doing good at something, but when you're actually doing good at something, but don't like doing it, or don't love it, it's much harder to pursue what you really love as they money might not be there. Not many people have the courage to do that.

    He's looney toons.

    Rockets also had Royce White, also looney toons, who is the Republican candidate for Senate in Minnesota this year. Just checked White's wikipedia:

    In June 2024, he tweeted a map of drinking fountains in Minneapolis, claiming it was a map of crimes.
    Yeah, darn, that is not good. Not good at all. I do remember Royce White being afraid to get on planes or something? I can't remember if he played any games in the NBA?

    Can you do that after being bought out?
    Not sure. I was sort of wondering if there is a rule in place.

    Yeah, his old man was in the NBA so probably definitely a lot of pressure to follow in Pops shoes. As I said before that draft his injury history was concerning which really hampers young players to reach potential.
    Did he have injury issues coming into the NBA? I didn't know as I never followed him. I remember some people here at Spurstalk say he'd be an interesting pick during that draft.

    His father was also drummed out for being a religious lunatic.
    Does he actually push that on people?

    He was an insecure bag who not only didn’t listen to his assistants, he humiliated former NBA HC Terry Stotts, leading to his resignation.
    What did he do to Terry Stotts? I always liked Stotts when he was coaching the Trailblazers. He seemed like a really good guy and decent coach.

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    I believe Adrian Griffin was really pushing people's nerves with his religiosity, but take that with a grain of salt. Stuff like telling people they were demonic for going to Beyonce concerts. Given NBA culture, I can see that not flying. Other players who have that reputation are Jonathan Isaacs and Gordon Hayward, from what I understand.

    It seems AJ Griffin posts a lot about how the Rapture is imminent, that the Gaza stuff is a sign of the end of the world, and he seems to be retiring to get his soul right.

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    I suppose if he thinks the world is about to end, uh yeah, better start wrapping things up!

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