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    Elton Brand was a 20&10 guy for a long time, back when that was much harder to accomplish. I see no shame in that.
    Battier was that and then some. He played over 10 seasons and was one of the premier perimeter defenders in the league in that span, and an NBA champion.

    It's an Adam Morrison or Emeka Okafor situation that would be cause for concern, but those are more akin to, say, Keegan Murray... older college player whose overachieving lead to them being picked over their talent level.
    Yeah I was actually trying to give Banchero praise by calling him 2022 Brand. Sorry, it was clumsily written.

    The point I was trying to make was maybe he's the clear top prospect but maybe the other Duke-ys are propping him up somewhat. I don't think it's readily apparent atm though.

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    If Spurs select P.B. with one of the top picks, there's a good chance Pop will not start him the 1st half of the season and maybe even send him to the G-league for the first part of the season. Just saying.
    Ahh, can we not bring up things like this. I know what you're saying, but how about we hope that we get the luck of the ping pong balls first to select him. I hope the lottery goes our way. This would be a great pairing with Dejounte.

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    Yup this would be the perfect fit. Then sign Lavine and bring back the Super Sonics Jerseys

    Seattle Spurs comin'

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    IF the Spurs get lucky to draft Banchero, I would say it’s almost certain LaVine comes to complete the Seattle trio. The new big three.

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    I heard a comparison that made sense: pre-collapse Detroit era Blake Griffin without the three point shooting (yet)

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    IF the Spurs get lucky to draft Banchero, I would say it’s almost certain LaVine comes to complete the Seattle trio. The new big three.
    Hum, no offense but if I can imagine (maybe) Lavine signing to join his fella Dejounte, what could he care if Banchero is a Seattle dude too? They ain't friends AFAIK... "Hey, you're from Seattle too!? Cool, let's play together!"...

    That doesn't even belong to his thinking about what he's gonna do. He'll just consider team roster and money, while friendship with Murray may factor in... Banchero could be from Alaska that it wouldn't make a single difference. If it'd play in Lavine decision, that would be for the player Banchero is, not where he's from.

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    Yes, Banchero would be better than Chet.

    I don't want that gangly, awkward looking player on the Spurs.
    To be fair, Durant was also a gangly, awkward looking player coming out of college.

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    Blake Griffin was nothing more than a one trick pony

    Elton Brand was more of a post player

    I don’t think people realize how much 1 on 1 game Paolo has. It’s what separates him from all the typically mentioned player comparisons on here.

    Folks have too much of a tendency to compare players by their body and frame, not their game.

    unrelated to my post, just wanted to share it:



    regardless if he doesn’t get drafted by the Spurs, I think he’ll be REALLY fun to watch.
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    To be fair, Durant was also a gangly, awkward looking player coming out of college.
    No he wasn't. No comparison from what I see.

    Durant looked far better coordinated than Holmgren, much stronger going to the basket and a much better shot.

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    Hum, no offense but if I can imagine (maybe) Lavine signing to join his fella Dejounte, what could he care if Banchero is a Seattle dude too? They ain't friends AFAIK... "Hey, you're from Seattle too!? Cool, let's play together!"...

    That doesn't even belong to his thinking about what he's gonna do. He'll just consider team roster and money, while friendship with Murray may factor in... Banchero could be from Alaska that it wouldn't make a single difference. If it'd play in Lavine decision, that would be for the player Banchero is, not where he's from.
    I don’t need to spell of course how much Banchero, IF Spurs are so lucky, would improve the Spurs with his size and potentially being a go-to scorer, plus possible chemistry with DJM, and not just being from Seattle. And seeing the potential of adding his talent to that especially they’re from the same background, could entice LaVine to join. Murray/LaVine/Keldon/Banchero/Poeltl is pretty good lineup, plus a bench of Devin, J-Rich, Zach, and Primo who I suspect to just keep improving. LaVine chemistry with Keldon and Pop at the Olympics. But I didn’t have to spell all that..
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    As many of us said months ago, for all the obvious reasons can't imagine he wouldn't be the guy. The other two might end up higher impact, but this team is not in a position to pick complementary over centerpiece types.

    More than likely meaningless, but on O'Connor's most recent mock draft from 6 days ago led "Who would the Spurs take 1st?", he went Smith, but what I found more interesting is he was joined by Murray and Mathurin on the graphic. Not that they'd pick them first, obviously.

    I heard a comparison that made sense: pre-collapse Detroit era Blake Griffin without the three point shooting (yet)
    Pretty much. He's not as athletic as probably even that version of Griffin though.

    Blake Griffin was nothing more than a one trick pony.
    ? Before injuries derailed his career, Griffin developed into one of the most skilled 4's of all time, with legit point forward skills.

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    Blake Griffin was nothing more than a one trick pony

    Elton Brand was more of a post player

    I don’t think people realize how much 1 on 1 game Paolo has. It’s what separates him from all the typically mentioned player comparisons on here.

    Folks have too much of a tendency to compare players by their body and frame, not their game.

    unrelated to my post, just wanted to share it:



    regardless if he doesn’t get drafted by the Spurs, I think he’ll be REALLY fun to watch.
    He looks like a giant Derrick White. I'm sold

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    Timme was an upperclassmen but Holmgren was highly efficient when used. He definitely doesn't project as a high volume scorer but his defensive impact is far beyond anyone in his range. His advanced defensive stats (and actual defensive stats) are better than even Evan Mobley's were last year.
    Of course he's efficient, he's 7'1" playing against guys who are 8 inches shorter, he's got a soft touch and can shoot the 3. But efficiency is overrated without context. What I want is a guy who can carry the offense in a close playoff game, when you play in the halfcourt. Banchero looks tailor made for this, with his ball handling, creation, vision, passing, shooting... What does Chet do in a situation like this? Well, we actually got a preview of that in March, vs Arkansas and Memphis... he gets bullied and/or disappears, hoping a teammate can bail him out. Again. Picture him in the final minutes of a playoff game. What role do you see him playing for us?

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    Of course he's efficient, he's 7'1" playing against guys who are 8 inches shorter, he's got a soft touch and can shoot the 3. But efficiency is overrated without context. What I want is a guy who can carry the offense in a close playoff game, when you play in the halfcourt. Banchero looks tailor made for this, with his ball handling, creation, vision, passing, shooting... What does Chet do in a situation like this? Well, we actually got a preview of that in March, vs Arkansas and Memphis... he gets bullied and/or disappears, hoping a teammate can bail him out. Again. Picture him in the final minutes of a playoff game. What role do you see him playing for us?
    I mean, I literally just told you Holmgren isn't a volume scorer. He's a great side option on offense with a bigger ceiling than you suggest, but his true value is being incredible at defense. He's also very good in transition, by the way.

    This board is getting lunatic about Banchero, I might mention, like he's some hybrid of Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. I see no reason to believe he's this unstoppable offensive force.

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    I heard a comparison that made sense: pre-collapse Detroit era Blake Griffin without the three point shooting (yet)
    Huh? Blake Griffin was far more athletic. He was an exceptional lob threat and could blow by defenders.

    Demarcus Cousins, I'm telling you. They're even built the same.

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    Banchero reminds me of a 90s NBA power forward: Karl Malone, Derrick Coleman, Chris Weber, Antonio McDyess with more range. Even a younger LMA.

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    Banchero reminds me of a 90s NBA power forward: Karl Malone, Derrick Coleman, Chris Weber, Antonio McDyess with more range. Even a younger LMA.
    I think a Chris Webber lite would seem like a reasonable comparison. I'll take that any day.

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    At the end of the day, getting him would be great because it means we got a top 4 pick. But I’m not overly impressed with anyone in the top 4 tbh. I have concerns about him but who cares - you can only draft the prospects available and he’s clearly a top 3 talent in the draft.

    Does that mean he will be an all star? No. But nothing you can do about a meh draft regarding super stars. But if we land him or Chet (I kind of prefer Chet tbh) then it’s cause for massive celebration

    He just gives me that plodder vibe. Which usually doesn’t pan out well. A less athletic Julius Randle is kinda dicey

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    Tbh if SA somehow did land the #1 pick and another team loved Banchero I would love SA to trade back, take Chet or Jabari and net another first for it

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    I mean, I literally just told you Holmgren isn't a volume scorer. He's a great side option on offense with a bigger ceiling than you suggest, but his true value is being incredible at defense. He's also very good in transition, by the way.
    Well... in abstract there are many part of his offensive game that seem fine, and I agree he's good in transition. He seems ok all around, but when you put it all together it doesn't add up, and I expect more from a top pick than the 4th or 5th offensive option on a winning team, which is what he looked like in big games.
    This board is getting lunatic about Banchero, I might mention, like he's some hybrid of Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. I see no reason to believe he's this unstoppable offensive force.
    Funny enough, that's kind of how I feel about Chet defensively. He's been made out to be this defensive monster, and while he does possess some exceptional characteristics (height, IQ, desire, coordination), others don't impress me so much (speed, strength, endurance). He'll be beaten off the dribble (though he's great at recovering), he'll have problems fighting through screens, fighting for position, and staying healthy during a whole season. I think his defensive floor is high, though, provided he stays healthy... but that's a big if. But if I was convinced he could be a Mobley 2.0 I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's just that he seemed impressive against smaller rivals with lesser talent, but not so much when the bar was set higher (Memphis, Arkansas, etc.).



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    Of course he's efficient, he's 7'1" playing against guys who are 8 inches shorter, he's got a soft touch and can shoot the 3. But efficiency is overrated without context. What I want is a guy who can carry the offense in a close playoff game, when you play in the halfcourt. Banchero looks tailor made for this, with his ball handling, creation, vision, passing, shooting... What does Chet do in a situation like this? Well, we actually got a preview of that in March, vs Arkansas and Memphis... he gets bullied and/or disappears, hoping a teammate can bail him out. Again. Picture him in the final minutes of a playoff game. What role do you see him playing for us?
    Didn't watch the games did you?
    Zag guards blew big time.
    Chet made the correct pass for wide open 3 numerous times.

    Final minutes of Spurs games i could see Chet also making a perfect pass out to a wide open Bryn Forbes for the brick.
    Pop saying how happy he was that "we competed".

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    Didn't watch the games did you?
    Zag guards blew big time.
    Chet made the correct pass for wide open 3 numerous times.

    Final minutes of Spurs games i could see Chet also making a perfect pass out to a wide open Bryn Forbes for the brick.
    Pop saying how happy he was that "we competed".
    Actually I saw every game of Gonzaga, because I wanted to get an impression of Chet other than from highlights. The rest of his teammates are not NBA material, as most of his rivals, so that's not part of my assessment. But every time they needed a big bucket, they went for Timme. If you're that good and your teammates suck, you don't defer, you make it happen.

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    Actually I saw every game of Gonzaga, because I wanted to get an impression of Chet other than from highlights. The rest of his teammates are not NBA material, as most of his rivals, so that's not part of my assessment. But every time they needed a big bucket, they went for Timme. If you're that good and your teammates suck, you don't defer, you make it happen.
    Chet won't be a go to scorer in the NBA, more of a complementary piece on offense. The Spurs still need that star scorer. Chet's game is awkward and ugly. If you like a player with stiff awkward upper body movements go ahead and draft Chet.

    If the Spurs are lucky enough to land a top 4 pick they need to add a stronger offensive player than Holmgren. They can add Duren at 9 if they want to add another primarily defensive front court player.

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