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If I could get Eason and Jalen Williams, yes. But it’s a risk.
If Duren is picked top 8.
1. J Smith
2.Holmgren
3. Banchero
4.Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. Murray
7. Sharpe
8. Duren
9. Williams
10. Daniels
11. Davis
12. Sochan
13.Dieng
14. Jalen Williams
15. Branham/Ogbaji
You happy coming away with Dieng and Branham/Ogbaji ?
If I could get Eason and Jalen Williams, yes. But it’s a risk.
Read my post at the end of the last page. This is what I see happening right now, with some variation:
1. Jabari Smith
2. Chet Holmgren
3. Paolo Banchero
4. Jaden Ivey
5. Shaedon Sharpe
6. Keegan Murray
7. Bennedict Mathurin
8. Dyson Daniels
9. Jalen Duren (Charlotte)
10. AJ Griffin
11. Mark Williams
12. Johnny Davis
13. Ousmane Dieng (Spurs)
14. Malaki Branham
15. Jeremy Sochan (Spurs)
If NYC takes Sochan and OKC take Dieng, for example, you then have Williams and Davis drop. Or Griffin drops - I would consider him at that point. The way things are changing, we could see Branham higher in the lottery, etc.
Go Crazy. Go for High Lotto 2023
Poeltl, McDermott, Langford, #20,#38 for Hayward, #13, #15
S&T for Bamba.
Keep Hayward for Team Leader or trade in 2023 to contenders looking for that one piece
Big picture, this is an interesting discussion. Obviously, hard to predict, but Sochan dropping to 15 is not something I have a high confidence in, that would be my concern with this idea.
Uh, if you can't take contradiction and different opinions just don't ask for them... No need take pzrsonal offense like a pouting kid and take the "you're stupid" road just because I disagree. I didn't specifically targetting you or whatever and other posters have basically say the same things I did.
But here's litterally your first post where you bring the trading down option for 2 B players Vs. one A player... Fell free to tell what I didn't understand when I say I wouldn't:
"I wonder if there is appe e to trade the #9 down to Charlotte for the #13 and #15. In some gamed-out mocks, the #9 starts losing value while players the Spurs might still covet might last a few more spots.
Obviously the trade compounds the issue of having too many picks, so the later picks would need to be consolidated or traded out. Or something crazy like the #20 paired with one of the new ones to move up.
Charlotte fans seem fixated on Jalen Duren, who probably doesn't last until #13. (I want to ignore proposals for trading Poeltl to them for now.) But Mark Williams might still be there, who the Spurs could value more.
So what are thoughts about such a thing, provided the later picks are accounted for? Is it worth losing out on a Tier 3-ish player like Johnny Davis if you can cement two good Tier 4 players (however you account for them)? Say, a Mark Williams and Ousmane Dieng, that sort of thing?"
Sochan would only need to drop to 13. I can see Washington (10) pass, as they have a glut of forwards. I can see NYC (11) take him, definitely, although they also have a glut of forwards. I can see OKC (12) take him, although I don't have a clue what they're doing. I can also see NOP (8) take him. He's all over the place.
But in this playful scenario, he wouuld need to get past those three teams to get to 13. The Spurs might bank on Cleveland (14) not taking him to let him slide to 15. Even if he is gone within 10-12, there are other players they might want. For example, NYC (11) takes Sochan, OKC (12) takes M. Williams, the Spurs (13) take Johnny Davis.
Who knows. But I do think we're seeing some interesting players fall into the 10-15 range.
Problem is also is that we are speculating on Sochan, Dieng or whatever players falling at 13 and 15 (meaning there's a reason for that, and players above are supposedly better independety of teams needs) without actually be sure of their worth...
Who ever saw one Dieng game on this board? But suddenly it would be worth trading down for him and Sochan or whoever that I'm also sure few saw ever play... That's a big risk for the spurs giving their situation. Do we really them to gamble? that's not virtual GM'ing where you can reset on the fly.
Do we first want a game changer and a scorer or... Dieng & Branham in team already filled with young B players... Word was that there were a big drop off after pick 6-7 but now 13 and 15 are worth trading 9... Nah, You have 20 and 25 to gamble, take the freaking BPA at 9 which will also eventually help you attract FA's. I mean good luck selling Dieng & Branham to Lavine to make him sign. Sure he never heard of them.
, trade up a few spots (like 18 or even 19) with 20 and 25 if there's someone you still really like and gamble on.
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The other scenario. Package 20, 25, and somehow Richardson/McB to get a pick in the teens.
Yeah, maybe worth it's own thread! I think 20 and 25 can get you from 15-18 or so. The question is what teams are actually there:
14. Cleveland.
15. Charlotte.
16. Atlanta.
17. Houston.
18. Chicago.
It depends on what those teams see around pick 20. I feel like there's a fall-off in the late teens (at this point). Charlotte likely won't want to trade back for two picks since they already start with two. I feel like Cleveland may be too far to jump and Chicago may be too close.
Ultimately, definitely a possibility, just a question of who is around and what other teams value.
Gotta say...this is an interesting thread.. I wouldn't be against making the Charlotte deal depending on who's available at 9 on draft night like you said...
As for a drop-off, I have it as a pretty significant drop off at pick 22...
Difficult for me to even discuss this because so much of it depends on context, who is taken where, whether someone the team really likes falls to them inexplicably making trading down unappealing or a straightforward no, etc.
Also unlikely to happen because the Spurs have their cats they want and won’t risk losing them by trading down if those guys are available when they pick. I suppose if their favorite is gone and they have options, but they already have options with the 20-25 and could rather explore trying to trade up rather than down.
Jak plus the 25 & 38 for the 13, 15 and a unprotected 2023 second pick could work for both teams too.
Controlling the 9, 13, 15, 20 could be enough ammo to land Mathurin in a trade up followed by a big run at Ayton in free agency.
Every time you think about a trade, ask yourself: "Would I do it if I'm the opposite team?
The answer to that for that trade is "no". I mean #38 has little to no value so you're basically giving up 13 and 15 for Jak (who's up for a big raise soon) and 25.
Jak is a good player at a position of need for them who still has year left on a cheap deal. It's the 13 and 10 pick move back plus they get a high second rounder this year. It's a pretty good deal for a win now team. Plus they acquire Jak's bird rights.
If the two top centers are gone by 13, I’m calling CHA offering Jakob. Then i overpay for Hartlestien in the summer.
Agreed. The time to move Jak was at the deadline. He has less value now.
I’d rather move up my 25 and 38 with Jak for that 13 and 15. Draft Dieng and Williams. Keep that 9 for Sochan. But yup, Dieng as a 2-3 years project is a very high ceiling if he pans out, with his handles, perimeter coverage, blocking. His shooting form is good and should get better. If he gets any bigger and stronger, Dieng! Point-forward with defense like Simmons with shooting.
OKC scout is on record saying he may be the steal of the draft. My bet is if he's still on the board when it's their turn, they snap him up.
Yes, after Murray, he's most likely to be my number 1 best available when we pick at 9. I could even see OKC trading up out of their 12th spot to go get him ahead of us at 9, potentially.
One year of Tsunami Papi would not be the worst. He would have been a better addition than McBoogers last offseason.
Tsunami Papi? Plumlee or Oubre? Horrible nickname tho either way.
Beware of pre-draft declarations. Maybe the guy is a bit naive but not sure if OKC was so high on Dieng they'd yell it at the world. Might be smoke, or not. The thing with Dieng is that we have a full pro season to judge from and I'm honestly not sure where the big hype come from. He's pretty raw to me but I guess scouts judge on potential even though that's not always reliable. There's clearly a risk with Dieng comparing to other lottery picks.
No doubt there's BS flying in pre-draft analysis. I watched the YouTube video where the gut said it though and it was a genuine, off the cuff remark that he almost seemed to want back knowing he let it slip. Or maybe I'm just a sucker.
Let them have him if that means one of William or Davis is there at 13. The internet hivemind seems to like Davis to Knicks at 11 meaning Williams could be there at 13 if OKC takes Deng. Sochan at 15 would be awesome; would be silly for CLE to take him at 14 given their roster construction.
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