Completely agree. How many players left the spurs and became suddenly better? Maybe Jackson? We’ll see about dejounte, but I doubt very much he suddenly becomes an efficient shooter. LW seems to be the same player on the lakers that he was on the spurs.
So many of these role players gripe about their roles on the Spurs and end up no better on other teams. I can think of De Colo, Dedmon, Simmons, the list goes on.
They reason Jackson was stuck as a limited role player in San Antonio was because there were better players than him on the roster.
man 71% win percentage good for 4 sport historic best all time winningest franchise by % during the timeframe and this was with HOLDIN BACK?
meanwhile Captn couldn't even bust the rotation past G League Green/Grandpa Ginobili.
Maybe Captin Jack was the one who was HOLDNG BACK huh?
mad because the game had passed you by but don't take that out on SA, bud
Sure, when a role-level player is made to play a role he's not going to reach his absolute full potential as a player. Every player wants to maximize his role and stats to get the most money in a short career -- it's simply not going to happen for every NBA player because so few are true star-level players. Jack certainly wasn't when he was a Spur.
Ironically, he could have been one of our all time role players.
So.Much.This.
Kawhi in another system could very well have been MKG. He was given the space and time in THE SYSTEM do develop without pressure to carry a team.
Naw. He’s like Kanye level dumb. Walked out on a championship team and a 3/$9M offer to play for ATL for 1/$1M. If he had been injured, it would likely have been the end of his career. Then,he was a huge problem child his second time. He would never have been an all time anything here, because he caused too many problems.
I remember Kawhi being projected as a slightly wealthier man's Gerald Wallace lol
people forget the first few seasons KL had a wonkey release and couldn't hit FTs was barely a corner 3 threat etc raw as
Hat's off to Leonard for his dedication in the gym and yeah KL did the work and you can't take that away from him. But , I'm sure the development helped not to mention dropping into the WCF right away surrounded with HOF mentors. Give SA system, situation and development some credit too, you know.
Horry/Stack top 25 all-time Spurs
If he committed to being a Spur, then he could have been a great role player. I’m talking about opportunity and another path he could have taken.
People are who they are. He could never do that, because he’s not that person. He’s angry and self absorbed to the point of thinking he was better than Manu.
He bet on himself and got a 6yr 40mm contract after that 1yr deal. Everyone has different risk tolerances.
The triangle offense limited Jordan and Pippen. They also didn’t win championships before implementing. The same with Kobe and Shaq.
I know what happened. I’ve been a fan for awhile. That wasn’t my point.
Wait, wasn't Jackson let go because Spurs favored Nephew and Verde over him?
So he ed about Spurs not wanting to hold them back when he was here.
Now he's ing about Spurs holding players back
idk, LMA's best overall season, imho, was in 2018 without Kawhi. he absolutely put SA on his back and carried them to the playoffs. He was a legitimate MVP candidate that season
Yep. DeRozan after SA? scored more PPG but down everywhere else and after a hot start to the season, the Bulls really struggled in the second half of the season and got embarrassed in the playoffs (yet again). Kawhi, while he did win a ring in 2019 on a stacked, ready to go team against a severely injured Warriors team, has played in like 100 something games in 4 seasons since thenhe also blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs and didnt play at all in 2022. And we all know how LMAs career ended
This notion that guys get better after leaving SA is complete BS when you actual look into it for 5 mins. Sadly in the era of hot takes people just run with the BS
hes still mad that TOSB manu was a better player than he was
There are basically two types of good NBA player. These aren't my terms:
1. The 'instinctual' type. Guys ike LaMello Ball and Stephen Jackson who are capable of tremendous play due to incredible skill and native talent. They make a lot of fans and in the right situations can win games that matter.
2. The 'academy' type. Guys like Chris Paul and Tim Duncan who study the game and work out how plays can happen or fall apart, body positioning on handling the ball and rebounding, etc.
The second type can overcome athletic limitations. They are often considered boring, but not always.
The first type often get a lot of press and ESPN adulation but they plateau as actual basketball players.
Playground basketball, you win by flash and individual excellence.
NBA basketball, you win by winning more possessions than the other guys. This takes going into the trenches and digging things out by repe ion, variation, being cerebral and understanding what's going on. It requires grit.
There has NEVER been a championship team lead by an 'instinctual' basketball player. Jordan, Curry, etc., were flashy, but they put the work in.
Stephen Jackson never put the work in. Once the left the Spurs his career barely mattered. He's still running his mouth, though. I will say the Spurs' style requires academy type players. Other guys struggle because they don't want to work at it.
^ LOL that simple eh.
Teams need many types of players to win les. 03’ Spurs probably don’t win without Stack but I agree he was no superstar.
You replace stack with Brent barry and its also true.
by that logic every team holds its players back because the top 2-3 players of the team get the most shots no matter where you go
Not a chance. Stack was 10x more clutch plus bigger, stronger, tougher and a better defender throughout his career.
Not even worth debating……….. we are blessed to have this franchise as fans! Everyone wants to be us except us!!
You are living in the past.Not even worth debating……….. we are blessed to have this franchise as fans! Everyone wants to be us except us!!
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