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    So should players not chase after loose balls?

    Somebody will always get there first. Are you saying all that player has to do is get there first and throw up a wild ass shot while contact is guaranteed and it's 3 automatic free throws?

    that. I'm glad Barry was going after a loose ball. It was a bull call.
    Of course he can go after loose balls but if he doesn't get it or can tell he won't be able to get it then he's got to play the man, and avoid fouling him. Dude that foul is going to be called everytime. That was all on Barry.

    I'm a homer just like you but your Kool-aid is a little to sweet on this one.

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    Yeah the refs were ed up going both ways. Like Bowen hitting Dirk's elbow and Terry getting pushed out of bounds. The refs couldn't get a call right. They should be fired.

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    Yeah the refs were ed up going both ways. Like Bowen hitting Dirk's elbow and Terry getting pushed out of bounds. The refs couldn't get a call right. They should be fired.






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    I saw barry going for the ball while daniels or whoever it was was jacking up a hail mary from out of bounds....

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    Like Bowen hitting Dirk's elbow
    With his face. Dirty, I tells ya.

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    Of course he can go after loose balls but if he doesn't get it or can tell he won't be able to get it then he's got to play the man, and avoid fouling him. Dude that foul is going to be called everytime. That was all on Barry.

    I'm a homer just like you but your Kool-aid is a little to sweet on this one.


    Ain't a homer thing, it's a basketball fan thing. I wouldn't want to see a Spurs player get the benefit of that call either.

    I guess the new strategy should be to throw up a wild shot on every rebound and loose ball. Yippee free throw contests... I know I enjoyed Game 1 of the 2003 WCF, how bout you guys?

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    With his face. Dirty, I tells ya.
    I was talking about Dirk's shot at the end of the game. Anyways Bowen deserved a hit.

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    Barry was subs uted in for Horry, not Finley. Finley was out there at the end. Barry was sent in to guard Devin Harris.

    The play just before the 3-shot foul, Barry did a nice job of getting in front of Harris after the rub at the top and drive. He cut off the drive and although AJ complained that Barry fouled, it was a good strong move to cut off the dribble by Barry with mild contact. He got the stop Pop was looking for.

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    They were both going balls to the wall to get that lose ball, Daniels just got it first. To expect Barry to then immediately stop and back off the ball in that split second...would require a new law of physics.

    And if Barry can't defy the laws of physics...bench him.

    It wasn't a bad play by Brent...so much as it was a great one by Daniels.

    And that's a no-call by any decent ref in the league.

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    A better question, why do you ever subs ute Barry in for defense in the first place?
    Yeah Brent Barry and Defense really don't go together...

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    No, people have been doing that for ages. No need for any rule change. That's just a smart play by Daniels and a dumb one by Brent.

    So then was Brent not supposed to chase down the rebound????

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    Combination: Good play save by Daniels, bad choice by Barry, and horrible call by the refs.

    But come on, they were ing it up all night long. Shouldn't be shocking.

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    So then was Brent not supposed to chase down the rebound????
    No, but that's the price you pay for getting there second. If the other guy gets posession of the ball, and you then make enough contact to put him at disadvantge, that's a foul, plain and simple. Always has been, always will be.

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    No, but that's the price you pay for getting there second. If the other guy gets posession of the ball, and you then make enough contact to put him at disadvantge, that's a foul, plain and simple. Always has been, always will be.
    i believe it was on 2 occassions that bruce's face put no-witski at a disadvantage...yes i see your point
    foul bruce plain and simple

    only if bruce was on the other end it wouldn't be plain and simple

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    No, but that's the price you pay for getting there second. If the other guy gets posession of the ball, and you then make enough contact to put him at disadvantge, that's a foul, plain and simple. Always has been, always will be.
    I disagree completely. Daniels was already at a disadvantage when he heaved a shot that was a half turn from the direction he was facing. Should have been a no call. If players could always get calls like that (which they don't) they would immediately shoot the ball anytime they got a loose ball or rebound in a crowd.

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    TinkleBerry deserves the Beno treatment

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    I disagree completely. Daniels was already at a disadvantage when he heaved a shot that was a half turn from the direction he was facing. Should have been a no call. If players could always get calls like that (which they don't) they would immediately shoot the ball anytime they got a loose ball or rebound in a crowd.
    He was late to the ball and his momentum took him into Daniels. It happens. And when it does, it is a foul. The degree of difficulty of the shot doesn't factor into whether a call is made of not. Daniels may have simply meant to just save the ball but when he saw the contact coming/felt the contact, then he made the heads up play by heaving the ball toward the rim. Feels like a crappy call but it is the correct one and one I hope a Spur player will be the benefit of when we are in a similar situation.

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    i can see a doghouse coming.

    Not with Manu being owie prone and us only having one true small-forward you don't. The worst part about that foul was that it negated the great defensive stop he made on Daniels on the previous possession. Pop praised that play in the post-game interviews.

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    Off-court, Brent seems really relaxed and confident Dr. Jeckyll, but on court, he becomes an uptight, tentative, nervous Mr. Hyde.

    As Ferris so famously said: "(he's) so uptight (on court) that if you stuck a lump of coal up his ass, you'd have a diamond in two weeks".

    And now Brent has had his back go out on him first time in his career and is pushed down the rotation into competing for minutes with Michael. Ouch! Brent probably didn't think his belated but definite arrival and confirmation in the Finals as the ONLY front-court rotation guy (Tony, Manu, Bruce with Brent as backup f/c) and his first ring would be followed by such a difficult situation a few months later.

    Brent is pretty fast going forward mostly, but isn't very athletic in any graceful since (same with Tony and Tim), so his hustling on fast breaks, boards, at least trying to play D (his lateral slowness limits him), and chasing down loose balls compliments whatever shots he hits. I was amazed that Pop put Brent in for the those last seconds, but that says a lot about what Pop thinks about Brent.

    eg, you will never see Nazr, the only Spur I feel like punching out, chasing after a defensive loose ball in the closing seconds with the game in the balance, the way Brent did last night. Nazr would be spectating, which will never win any leeway from me. In spite of the going-for-the-ball/momentum foul, I give Brent a huge, gold "E" for Effort on that last play.

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    In spite of the going-for-the-ball/momentum foul, I give Brent a huge, gold "E" for Effort on that last play.
    Amen.

    I'd much have him trying to make the right play and getting beaten because Daniels made a great one than playing tentative and letting the Mavs have an easy play.

    Bottom line: Daniels made a great play, and sometimes that's the way it goes.

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    I thought Brent Barry was put in there for his FT%. Up by 4, give up the easy basket, and hit the foul shots with Finley and Barry out there. 2 good FT shooters. I kinda like Barry but he had a serious brain-fart with that foul. For supposedly having a high basketball IQ that was a bone-headed mistake. Everyone makes mistakes though, and the Spurs won. So no big deal. Just don't do that again Barry.

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    i can see a doghouse coming.
    Yep, Barry has been in the league too long to get busted on play like that. It could have been really bad. I just hope this doesn't contribute to what's already been a slow start for Barry.

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    I thought Barry played pretty solid last night.

    He actually TOOK shots last night and didn't become like a scared little girl when handed the ball.

    We all commented at the GTG when Brent made that great defensive play on Daniels that, he would be celebrating his first defensive stop of his career after the game.

    Too bad Salvatore stunk it up giving him that ridiculous foul.

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    Brent deserves another full-season with spurs for his heads-up play in the Finals.

    He is a smart-ass.

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    He was late to the ball and his momentum took him into Daniels. It happens. And when it does, it is a foul. The degree of difficulty of the shot doesn't factor into whether a call is made of not. Daniels may have simply meant to just save the ball but when he saw the contact coming/felt the contact, then he made the heads up play by heaving the ball toward the rim. Feels like a crappy call but it is the correct one and one I hope a Spur player will be the benefit of when we are in a similar situation.

    Not while bennyhill salvatore is officiating; a spur 2 time MVP 3time finals MVP player did not benefit while he was being shoved under the rim outta bounds....MVPS don't get shoved they walk outta bounds intentionally to give the other team another crack at it.

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