Kawhi Leonard forcing his way out really hurt Spurs fans lol
Some of the most recent politically correct Spurs on the surface, ended up being perverts and abusers. So I wouldn't be so quick to make judgments either way. Nothing he said so far seems like a deal breaker to me, lets cut him some slack now, so that when we pick at no. 3 or below we all rejoice at how convenient it was that we avoided such a cancer.
spot off from KEV, it's a real CUCK mentality to think all high level prospects will force their way out. Even if it happens we have the chance to get good returns for trading a seasoned Scoot. the city isn't worse than others in the second tier and you don't see random scrubs forcing themselves out like leonard. it was unique blend of abusive uncle, early sucess, hubristic coaching ,and autisic spectrum. The spurs dealth with whiny LMA and derozan just fine, getting a good mix of contribution and return on their time here. they got good to great value with psuedo star murray and role player white and poertle.
Oh Jesus it has nothing to do with cuck mentality and everything to do with whether or not the City will continue supporting a perennial doormat, or at best low end playoff team year after year after year. We're already about 5 or 6 years removed from any sort of relevancy. Where are we as a city/region supporting a mediocre one 15 years in when decisions about a new arena are made?
I'm simply saying drafting a guy who isn't coming back after a rookie contract does far more harm than short term boost, especially since we need so many pieces. So do your due diligence now.
BTW, there's a point that should be made crystal clear here. KingKev would live to see this team anywhere else besides here, especially Vegas. He makes no bones about it. From my perspective, I stop being a fan of the Spurs the millisecond they leave San Antonio or at worst Austin.
And at least show you're a truthful person by referring to LMA as something other than whiny. He handled himself perfectly in the face of being misused. And played another 4+ years here carrying the team through the post neph years.
i talk all the time about prospects leaving, but i do it to people who argue "we just need to tank hard in the right year and we'll be back" that is so unrealistic it is not a serious arguments. The best way to stop a prospect from leaving is to build a robust team. aka a 3-7 year tank
scoot leaving would not kill the franchise. First of all it's very unlikely he will get to superstar level, that we wouldn't have a good team that would get him to stay, that he'd turn down a max extension, that the spurs wouldn't be able to trade for value. So many ifs that have to go right to get to the bad franshice level. I will admit, after leonard, paul george and anthony davis, i thought that players might get too upity, bad it hasn't become a regular thing.
what really kills franchise is extended middling prospects and not having cap space. It was good Josh primo had itchy shorts because he would have been an expensive middling player.
I mean even if he does leave it won’t be until like 7 years down the line. Stupid to even be thinking about that. He will sign his rookie extension with us and then play at least 2 years before becoming disgruntled, if he ever does at all. So you have 7 years to build a semi-contender. That’s a fair time frame
How can he leave when only the Spurs have the right to give him a 5-year contract or match any other offer like the Suns did with Ayton last summer?
There are character traits a player could have that could be perceived as negative from a PR point of view but sometimes it’s what drives them to be great. People get carried away too much with what a player says and does. As long as they’re not a human being, they are likely to be ok. I think it’s exaggerated how Spurs aim for “boy scout” type players, I think they try to go for guys who don’t get shook easily. Sochan has that trait, and so did Primo. It just so happens the latter had an appearance of someone who’s a good guy, but beneath the surface we found out he wasn’t. Another trait the Spurs aim for is leadership. So as long as Scoot has resilience and leadership, I think the Spurs will be interested.
The kid is undeniably talented. Just not sure this is who the Spurs would pick at 2.
For the record I don’t want to see the Spurs move and think we are 3-5yrs away from that being a minuet chance if this franchise doesn’t adapt (which we slowly are) to this era of the NBA but that is a separate discussion. Although if they were to move Vegas and Vancouver would suit my personal interests as I’d still remain a fan.
That aside, there is enough protection and incentive in the CBA for rookies coming into the NBA to stick out their first 5-8 years. So unless this is Steve Francis saying I don’t want to go to Vancouver let’s not get so granular on assuming players personalities are ripe for jumping ship.
Also, this is an unpopular opinion but I think the Spurs would be much more fun to watch with Scoot leading the way than Wemba. Kids try to model their game after someone they can play as and I don’t think anyone looks at Wemba and think they could play like him. Dude is a human cheat code. Of course, I acknowledge that the ceiling is higher with someone like Wemba and that he probably leads the team to more wins. I’m just saying this as a basketball junkie and what’s fun for me to watch when I’m watching a game. Scoot has some playground style handles and I love that.
i argued with Luka samanic that drafting players at 19 and 20 is not a good predicted at what their personality will be at 25 and so. ?Samanic obv was not a great prospect that warranted giving extra chances. But you should expect guys to mature over 5 yrs
This kid is tough and determined…… give me 4 more of him!
This is who they better select!!!! Are we serious? This man is a hoops junkie!
Trying to predict what any human will do in future cir stances is a fool's game. We need only remember how close we were to losing Timmy to ing Orlando for God's sake. But something in his character allowed him to be persuaded to stay in what was still seen as an pre-Big Three dynasty in a backwater town.
Still, the truth is even bleaker now for anyone coming into this franchise. We haven't won a damn thing lately and are unlikely to do so immediately after this draft no matter who we get. The fact is that even Super Stars usually take a while to bring a championship to their franchise after their draft (ref: Michael Jordan and LeBron).
But who knows, maybe our top draft choice marries one of Barkley's fabled San Antonio fat girls and decides to stay forever. happens. So we won't worry about what might happen, but enjoy the entertainment of a team of young unproven talents and cheer them on in their development.
Spurs need to draft the top prospects without fear.
Only way I'm not drafting Scoot #2 is if Wembanyama is still on the board.
Would you entertain a trade back scenario or do you think he's a can't miss prospect?
we wont get value trading back unless a dumbass GM exists. And buddy we got the dumbass GM who is desperate to avoid a permanent tank. WE take scoot, 100%
One thing I noticed is that, in that video, he's not that much smaller than Jamal Crawford, who was measured at 6'4.5" w/o shoes. Scoot is listed at 6'2", so that's probably his true height w/o shoes as well.
You're clearly still living in the age where you think people honor contracts and play super hard to show how much they love being somewhere. **If** Scoot wants gone at the end of his rookie contract, Scoot will be gone at the end of his rookie contract, rules be damned. You know this.
I agree in general. But if a player shows you he's not long for your organization/City, you get more value now trading back for a "can't miss prospect" than being for forced into a trade later when, like neph, he tanked his value.
Listen, all I'm saying is IF pre-draft Intel says he is the kind of guy that wants to be in the spotlight, maaaaaybe you consider trading back when he'll net you the most value. You still pick up a solid player and continue the tank another year. Which you'd be doing in 4 yrs if that player bolts. No harm no foul in my mind.
And the overriding caveat to your premise is finding a proper dance partner to what you want also.
That's not a given.
These decisions aren't being made by an individual though, at least not entirely.
Scoot is the clear #2, universally at this point in the process.
(Plenty of cases where the #2 guy drops - think as recently as Evan Mobley for the riser in Jalen Green).
However, all that matters is where the Spurs rate him in comparison to other prospects in that draft and on the roster.
Hypothetically - If you could trade #2 (if Spurs don't believe that Scoot is transcendent) for say #5, and two unprotected firsts; do you think the Spurs wouldn't look at that? I'm sure they'd have to.
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