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    Are they actually going to do some, unannounced?
    I read they will stop testing pot.

    https://www.wweek.com/sports/2023/04...-cannabis-use/

    I guess they were already not testing temporarily but is now permanent part of the CBA
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    I read they will stop testing pot.

    https://www.wweek.com/sports/2023/04...-cannabis-use/

    I guess they were already not testing temporarily but is now permanent part of the CBA
    Makes sense, since it's legal in many states now.

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    There's some buzz about how teams above a double apron or something in luxury tax will not be able to pick up players in the buyout market, include cash considerations in trades, or trade draft picks for the next seven years out, and some other hardships?

    If so, this would make adjusting contending teams that are in salary very difficult.

    They might need a team with a lot of cap space to eat contracts to free them. Expiring contracts will also become even more valuable. Hmm...
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    There's some buzz about how teams above a double apron or something in luxury tax will not be able to pick up players in the buyout market, include cash considerations in trades, or trade draft picks for the next seven years out, and some other hardships?

    If so, this would make adjusting contending teams that are in salary very difficult.

    They might need a team with a lot of cap space to eat contracts to free them. Expiring contracts will also become even more valuable. Hmm...
    3 FRPs for Doug!

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    3 FRPs for Doug!
    I'm not sure if that means that double-apron luxury tax teams cannot trade future FRPs to get rid of salary. That's confusing.

    Draymond seems to be having a fit on Twitter over the CBA, apparently. The team that got super-lucky with the last CBA and is so far in luxury tax this might mean making roster changes is completely impossible.

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    Yeah Draymond's complaints are hilarious, like we're supposed to feel bad about the team with the $200MM payroll.

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    Yeah Draymond's complaints are hilarious, like we're supposed to feel bad about the team with the $200MM payroll.
    And the team where a sudden, miracle leap in salary cap allowed them to sign Kevin Durant outright. Unbelievable.

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    I'm not sure if that means that double-apron luxury tax teams cannot trade future FRPs to get rid of salary. That's confusing.

    Draymond seems to be having a fit on Twitter over the CBA, apparently. The team that got super-lucky with the last CBA and is so far in luxury tax this might mean making roster changes is completely impossible.
    I think he's gone, regardless. His punch sent them from a defending champ to a bottom half playoff team.

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    I’ll take Draymond on this team. The perfect vet, IMO.

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    I’ll take Draymond on this team. The perfect vet, IMO.
    I can only imagine which of our players he'd punch in the offseason.

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    Draymond would be an excellent mentor for Sochan, tbh

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    I can only imagine which of our players he'd punch in the offseason.
    I don’t think we have any smug players like Poole, tbh. Dude has a punchable face.

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    Draymond wouldn't work on a small market team with no must-see superstars on the roster. His antics wouldn't be ignored like they are rn. He'd prolly pick up his 16th tech in the 8th game of the season and keep averaging 2 T's per game.

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    Draymond wouldn't work on a small market team with no must-see superstars on the roster. His antics wouldn't be ignored like they are rn. He'd prolly pick up his 16th tech in the 8th game of the season and keep averaging 2 T's per game.
    Wrong timeline. He should go somewhere like Memphis, where they are a lot further along on their rebuild.

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    If they wanted to help small market teams should have addressed players forcing their way out after getting the security of long term deals. It's like heads I win, tails you lose for teams not in LA, Miami, or NYC. Like you give a big contract to Kawhi Leonard and he's worth it, and he can just force his way out when he wants. You give a big contract to John Wall and he never lives up to it and you're either stuck with him or have to give up assets to get rid of him. Bull .
    This really isn't the problem you're making it out to be. Leonard had every right to want a trade and to tell the Spurs that. He ed up because he didn't do that and instead evaded the team and had his folks poison the well. Kawhi was an expiring contract who wanted to go to a specific team in free agency. You aren't going to legislate that out of the league, and it's gross to want to. Had Kawhi not tanked his value, the Spurs could've gotten a tidy haul from LAC or Philly or whatever. That's the best teams can hope for without dipping into paternalistic or authoritarian tendencies. If there was a way to punish that kind of toxic leaking from all sides, I'd've been a huge fan of it. The constant circus is definitely something we can do without. But it makes the NBA money, and it'd be impossible to enforce any measures aimed at fixing the media culture around the league.

    We'll see if SA can take advantage of the changes that actually did happen to the CBA. There's a very good chance that teams are going to go into the summer believing the league is wide open, and the flip side of no one having firsts to trade this year is that more teams will have them to trade next year. McDermott has decent value, but I think Graham's has fallen. It altogether feels like it's a year too late for the Spurs. The higher extension cap would've made it more possible to keep Poeltl and maybe even Murray. They may be better off having traded them, but even having the leverage to give them a new deal might've helped. Hopefully if someone like Johnson shows he's worth it, the extension adjustment might help the Spurs down the road.

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    This really isn't the problem you're making it out to be. Leonard had every right to want a trade and to tell the Spurs that. He ed up because he didn't do that and instead evaded the team and had his folks poison the well. Kawhi was an expiring contract who wanted to go to a specific team in free agency. You aren't going to legislate that out of the league, and it's gross to want to.
    The face tried to force his way out with two seasons left on his contract. Unless you don't count going AWOL on the team as part of his move to force his way out.

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    Draymond wouldn't work on a small market team with no must-see superstars on the roster. His antics wouldn't be ignored like they are rn. He'd prolly pick up his 16th tech in the 8th game of the season and keep averaging 2 T's per game.
    He's a grossly overrated player. His antics only works on a stacked team. On a regular team it wouldn't work and like you said it would have no effect on his opponents. He's a front running POS troll. Trolling only works when you are in a position of power.

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    I’ll take Draymond on this team. The perfect vet, IMO.
    He would be a great tank commander but nothing else.

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    The face tried to force his way out with two seasons left on his contract. Unless you don't count going AWOL on the team as part of his move to force his way out.
    Why would I count that? Do you think players only ever freak out because they want a trade? There was never any report that Kawhi asked for a trade during the season. Him acting the way he did was not an attempt to force the Spurs to trade him. It makes way more sense to believe his freak out was mostly about what he said it was: disbelief over the diagnosis the Spurs gave his knee. It's likely not going to be said much on this forum anymore, but a Kawhi who avoided any major injury situation might have had a chance at GOAT-candidate status. Even if you wouldn't go that far, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't've passed up guys like David Robinson. He basically was told he'd be a part-time player the rest of his career and would thus likely fail to make the same kind of legacy on his own. At best, he'd get accolades mostly as part of the Spurs' system, ala Duncan where dumbasses still think Pop made him despite his own greatness.

    If you actually look back at the leaks and don't project Leonard wanting to go to LA on them, it seems pretty clear. The Spurs gave Kawhi a career-altering diagnosis just as he was hitting his prime, and he went through multiple stages of grief about it. Kawhi was like 25 when that happened; it's not surprising that he didn't handle it well. Seeing as he had a group of hangers-on who were hoping he'd be this huge cash-cow, he had a lot of people who were perfectly willing to lash out on his behalf. I do think Kawhi wanted to go home, but I believe the push for it was a response to the crisis he and his group had over the injury. The Spurs accommodated Leonard pretty soon after he actually asked to be traded. There's not a ton of reason to believe they sat on the request for a whole season.

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    Why would I count that? Do you think players only ever freak out because they want a trade? There was never any report that Kawhi asked for a trade during the season. Him acting the way he did was not an attempt to force the Spurs to trade him. It makes way more sense to believe his freak out was mostly about what he said it was: disbelief over the diagnosis the Spurs gave his knee. .
    He went AWOL and refused to be around the team most of that season. Those actions speak pretty loudly as get me the out of here.

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    Why would I count that? Do you think players only ever freak out because they want a trade? There was never any report that Kawhi asked for a trade during the season. Him acting the way he did was not an attempt to force the Spurs to trade him. It makes way more sense to believe his freak out was mostly about what he said it was: disbelief over the diagnosis the Spurs gave his knee. It's likely not going to be said much on this forum anymore, but a Kawhi who avoided any major injury situation might have had a chance at GOAT-candidate status. Even if you wouldn't go that far, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't've passed up guys like David Robinson. He basically was told he'd be a part-time player the rest of his career and would thus likely fail to make the same kind of legacy on his own. At best, he'd get accolades mostly as part of the Spurs' system, ala Duncan where dumbasses still think Pop made him despite his own greatness.

    If you actually look back at the leaks and don't project Leonard wanting to go to LA on them, it seems pretty clear. The Spurs gave Kawhi a career-altering diagnosis just as he was hitting his prime, and he went through multiple stages of grief about it. Kawhi was like 25 when that happened; it's not surprising that he didn't handle it well. Seeing as he had a group of hangers-on who were hoping he'd be this huge cash-cow, he had a lot of people who were perfectly willing to lash out on his behalf. I do think Kawhi wanted to go home, but I believe the push for it was a response to the crisis he and his group had over the injury. The Spurs accommodated Leonard pretty soon after he actually asked to be traded. There's not a ton of reason to believe they sat on the request for a whole season.
    He literally left a championship team where he won FMVP and had Bird Rights, to go team up with Playoff Pee with a smaller than possible contract. It was always about LA.

    Oh, and they did NOT accommodate him. After he ed them over and essentially stole $19M, they were never sending him to LA.

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    He went AWOL and refused to be around the team most of that season. Those actions speak pretty loudly as get me the out of here.
    They don't actually speak that way. Most of the time people avoid going to work, it's not explicitly a cry to get a job somewhere else. It's usually about personal they're going through. We heard about Aldridge asking out. More recently we heard about Kyrie and Durant (and basically every other star) asking out long before they were actually traded. There's no reason to believe Leonard did what he did particularly because the Spurs wouldn't trade him. Given the leaks coming out, we would've heard much sooner he'd asked to be moved if he actually did ask. If he didn't ask, what would acting out do to make it happen? That's why it makes more sense to believe he acted the way he did for the reasons he actually said, since they make sense on their own and would fit the timeline much better.

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    He literally left a championship team where he won FMVP and had Bird Rights, to go team up with Playoff Pee with a smaller than possible contract. It was always about LA.

    Oh, and they did NOT accommodate him. After he ed them over and essentially stole $19M, they were never sending him to LA.
    You seem to be misreading what I'm saying. Leonard wanted to go to LA. No one is disputing that. What's not clear is if he was away from the team in 2017 because he wanted to go to LA. It's likely his desire to go there was just as strong in 2016 as it was in 2017, but he wasn't doing that then. Everyone else seems who seems to act out to be traded manages to actually ask out before escalating.

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    His actions or inaction, really, read like a bitter spouse. Poor communication sure, but he took it to a very weird space. That seems fairly objective.

    As far as his Five Stages of Grief over his diagnosis, I don’t know if the timeline for that is accurate. He had a chronic knee issue that I thought was discussed earlier. And the Spurs were accurate in their diagnosis. He denied it like an idiot at best. If anything his uncle realized debating this diagnosis would extend his career by letting him sit out and see specialists as if there was something mysterious about his knee. Why defend that guy?

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    His actions or inaction, really, read like a bitter spouse. Poor communication sure, but he took it to a very weird space. That seems fairly objective.
    Pretty sure I never defended Kawhi. BB didn't come in here and say, "Leonard sucks". He instead came in and said the league should find a way to stop players like Leonard from forcing their way off teams. My point is that Leonard didn't actually do that. He asked to be traded with one year left on his deal and showed he was perfectly willing to leave a bit of cash on the table to sign in LA as a free agent. You can't legislate that out of the game; you shouldn't want to. There's nothing wrong with not liking Leonard. I don't want him to win anything at this point either. But strictly in terms of his trade request, it was fine. Just like George with Indy, Kawhi did the Spurs a favor by asking out if he had no intention of staying with them when his contract was up. The other stuff was bad, but there's not very good evidence that it was him trying to force his way out, because a player has to actually ask out before it makes any sense to throw a fit about it.

    As far as his Five Stages of Grief over his diagnosis, I don’t know if the timeline for that is accurate. He had a chronic knee issue that I thought was discussed earlier. And the Spurs were accurate in their diagnosis. He denied it like an idiot at best. If anything his uncle realized debating this diagnosis would extend his career by letting him sit out and see specialists as if there was something mysterious about his knee. Why defend that guy?
    You list some the stages of grief while questioning whether he was going through them. Mind you I'm not a pop-psychologist. I don't care about it fitting that specific model. But if you actually go back and look at what was leaked, it's much more about Leonard fighting the reality of the diagnosis than him trying to get traded. If that was his goal, he could've just asked to be traded.

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