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    one of the problems is people who don't have a regular physician (i.e. poorer people) don't want to go to the doc if they get sick, bc it costs so much damn money

    so they wait and wait, and then when they've been running a fever for a week, they go to the ER in the middle of the night

    it clogs the ER up, and costs everybody a lot more money, including the sick person
    Also, when someone with a regular doctor calls them at night, first thing they tell you is to go to the ER and they will take care of it. Everyone in
    the ER is not poor.

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    There is no clear answer to medical costs and the people it covers.

    One hand says: Cover everyone under a government controlled system. There are too many examples in the world that this doesnt work. At all.

    The other hand says: Keep the status quo. Privatized health coverage is best. Again, this isnt working. Most people cant afford the REAL cost of health coverage.

    I am an Operations Manager for a small machine shop. Its a business I will outright own in less than 10 years. My company requires its employees to pay a $15 (single) or $30 (family) co-pay each week for health care. We also switched health companies. The standard in Michigan was/is Blue Cross - Blue Shield. That was much too expensive. Switched to HAP, which totally sucks.

    Buts it something.

    You know how much I pay per family for health care a month as an employer?

    $1342.00

    My point is, if you have health insurance thru your company, quit your ing. I know for a fact you couldnt afford it on your own. Unless you could somehow afford another payment a month that is probably higher than your mortgage.

    Solution to the problem...

    There isnt one. Doctors make too much money. Medicine costs too much to produce/distribute. Yet, if the country capped the amount a doctor could make a year, we would all be ing about our shortage of doctors in this country.

    There isnt a solution. Be thankful you have what you have. Thats all you can do.

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    Here too -- especially in rural areas.
    I'm sorry, I need to see a source for that fact. I live in a rural area - no waiting lines, no shortages, nothing like that.

    Where do you speak of, & where did you get that information?

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    I'm sorry, I need to see a source for that fact. I live in a rural area - no waiting lines, no shortages, nothing like that.

    Where do you speak of, & where did you get that information?

    the RGV

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    There is no clear answer to medical costs and the people it covers.

    One hand says: Cover everyone under a government controlled system. There are too many examples in the world that this doesnt work. At all.

    The other hand says: Keep the status quo. Privatized health coverage is best. Again, this isnt working. Most people cant afford the REAL cost of health coverage.

    I am an Operations Manager for a small machine shop. Its a business I will outright own in less than 10 years. My company requires its employees to pay a $15 (single) or $30 (family) co-pay each week for health care. We also switched health companies. The standard in Michigan was/is Blue Cross - Blue Shield. That was much too expensive. Switched to HAP, which totally sucks.

    Buts it something.

    You know how much I pay per family for health care a month as an employer?

    $1342.00

    My point is, if you have health insurance thru your company, quit your ing. I know for a fact you couldnt afford it on your own. Unless you could somehow afford another payment a month that is probably higher than your mortgage.

    Solution to the problem...

    There isnt one. Doctors make too much money. Medicine costs too much to produce/distribute. Yet, if the country capped the amount a doctor could make a year, we would all be ing about our shortage of doctors in this country.

    There isnt a solution. Be thankful you have what you have. Thats all you can do.

    I own a company which pays/processes medical claims. It's not just that docs make too much, trust me. The hospitals are making money hand over fist, as are the insurance companies - and the Rx providers, PPO networks, case management firms, claim's processors.

    That list of middle men is the primary reason costs are goind up exponentially; for every runny nose; 3 nurses a doctor, billing clerks, and at least 1 person from each of the above firms have to touch that piece of paper (claim). The overhead is completely ridiculous.

    Copays & low deductibles, frankly, are the problem. As you recognize, people don't pay for their own healthcare - it is paid for by their employer, and they don't realize AT ALL how much it costs.

    Remember a couple of years back, when "Claritin" went over the counter? There were news stories all over the place complaining about it now being "more expensive". "I used to pay $15 for a 30 day supply, now it's $25" or some such quote from some poor allergic type. What had happened? Insurance wouldn't cover over the counted meds, so the patient had to pay the "full" price. What the nice reporter didn't tell you is that the ACTUAL cost of the drug, since it was now OTC had dropped from $140 to $25. A very rare, actual cost reduction in healthcare. (Schering Plough fought, and spent, like to keep that drug from going over the counter for 9 years before it happened - lawmakers from both sides of the aisle were on the take from them). Point being that the patient thought their $15 copay had something to do with the cost of the drug, it did not.

    Another major problem is that people just don't die as easily anymore.

    A person I am familiar with was in an accident in September. He didn't die, 5 year ago, without question, he would not have lasted through his first night. Now, with newer surgical techniques and drugs (expensive ones) - he is still alive nearly 90 days out. He is basically a vegetable (although thankfully showing progress) and has run up over $1 million in charges.

    So, what 5 years ago, would have cost, maybe $10K in heroic last minute effort and a helicopter ride, is now over a million dollars more than that. Insurance is paying for that, we are all paying the premium.

    Same thing going on in a big way w/all of the cancer & heart-disease people out their - they are living longer, incuring more & more claims, etc.

    Baby boomers are in their 50's now, bunch of 'em, not on Medicare yet, and that's when the expensive stuff begins to start en mass.

    In short, family practioners & internists aren't the reason healthcare is more expensive. New technologies, ridiculous overhead (brought on by wrong-headed plan design by the insurance carriers - as well as govt. tax policy), and consumers not affected by actual price have conspired to create
    an untennable industry.

    I know how to fix it, but they won't listen to me.

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    It was all over the news in central coast of California when I lived there -- along with a rash of hospital and clinic closures. It was always portrayed as part of a national trend.

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    I own a company which pays/processes medical claims. It's not just that docs make too much, trust me. The hospitals are making money hand over fist, as are the insurance companies - and the Rx providers, PPO networks, case management firms, claim's processors.

    That list of middle men is the primary reason costs are goind up exponentially; for every runny nose; 3 nurses a doctor, billing clerks, and at least 1 person from each of the above firms have to touch that piece of paper (claim). The overhead is completely ridiculous.

    Copays & low deductibles, frankly, are the problem. As you recognize, people don't pay for their own healthcare - it is paid for by their employer, and they don't realize AT ALL how much it costs.

    Remember a couple of years back, when "Claritin" went over the counter? There were news stories all over the place complaining about it now being "more expensive". "I used to pay $15 for a 30 day supply, now it's $25" or some such quote from some poor allergic type. What had happened? Insurance wouldn't cover over the counted meds, so the patient had to pay the "full" price. What the nice reporter didn't tell you is that the ACTUAL cost of the drug, since it was now OTC had dropped from $140 to $25. A very rare, actual cost reduction in healthcare. (Schering Plough fought, and spent, like to keep that drug from going over the counter for 9 years before it happened - lawmakers from both sides of the aisle were on the take from them). Point being that the patient thought their $15 copay had something to do with the cost of the drug, it did not.

    Another major problem is that people just don't die as easily anymore.

    A person I am familiar with was in an accident in September. He didn't die, 5 year ago, without question, he would not have lasted through his first night. Now, with newer surgical techniques and drugs (expensive ones) - he is still alive nearly 90 days out. He is basically a vegetable (although thankfully showing progress) and has run up over $1 million in charges.

    So, what 5 years ago, would have cost, maybe $10K in heroic last minute effort and a helicopter ride, is now over a million dollars more than that. Insurance is paying for that, we are all paying the premium.

    Same thing going on in a big way w/all of the cancer & heart-disease people out their - they are living longer, incuring more & more claims, etc.

    Baby boomers are in their 50's now, bunch of 'em, not on Medicare yet, and that's when the expensive stuff begins to start en mass.

    In short, family practioners & internists aren't the reason healthcare is more expensive. New technologies, ridiculous overhead (brought on by wrong-headed plan design by the insurance carriers - as well as govt. tax policy), and consumers not affected by actual price have conspired to create
    an untennable industry.

    I know how to fix it, but they won't listen to me.
    Huh...that was informative and enlightening. I never claimed to know what the intricacies are, I just knew it costs waaaaaaay too much and give peeps some perspective on what companies pay for them.

    I hope youre right that it is fixable. I just doubt it will ever be fixed. Mark it up to capitalism.

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