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Yeah, it was a task to keep losing lineups on the floor. Branham blew up at the end of the season too. There are four guys who could get really good really soon, and that's without seeing how Wesley looks in summer league.
Already on the team.
Yeah, it was a task to keep losing lineups on the floor. Branham blew up at the end of the season too. There are four guys who could get really good really soon, and that's without seeing how Wesley looks in summer league.
One of the huge flaws of this board is thinking that shooting = offense. There’s a lot more to offense than that, and Jeremy has all of it.
I like what the bucks did around Giannis. Instead of getting a second superstar, they got two high quality all stars in jrue and Middleton. And then surrounded the team with other quality two way players.
I feel that we can replicate it with Sochan, Keldon, Vassell, Brenham and Collins.
The biggest question is, who is going to be that crunch time bucket getter when the game is on the line.
This is why they passed on #33.
Vic and a strong / versatile supporting cast should do the trick.
Wemby cause he can play on the perimeter. Other than that only Vassell and Branham can get their own shot. Branham should become a good closer.
If relatively healthy and not deliberately tanking I think this team even without Wemby is arguably closer to 500 than a losing record.
If we stay healthy I think this team should hover around or just above 500
Excellent thread....lot's of good stuff in here..
I got high hopes for Vassell and Sochan to be the 2nd/3rd star. They might also be able to do it by committee between Vassell, Sochan, Keldon and Branham who should all be able to drop 20 on any given night.
I think it's solely about PG. There ain't a lot of options under 30 out there. Maybe if Luka asks for a trade bringing back DJ or Zach LaVine, but he has a huge long contract and injury issues. Otherwise we'll have to draft that guy. Branham/Sochan/Wesley extensions will kick in in 26/27 until then, the Spurs have plenty of cap space and could afford to take on a max contract, but like I said the options that fit are limited.
I also think building a strong bench unit will be key, since the west is pretty flat and the contending teams really don't have a bench at all (Phoenix) or only about 2 players (Denver). A strong bench unit that can help you change line ups depending on the match up will be very valuable and we almost have that as well.
There is extreme blind optimism after getting lucky with Wemby thinking the current roster is good as it is.
Outside of Wemby the roster is the worst in the league. And no Sochan and Vassell are not future all star level players.
Still need to surround Wemby with a better core.
There are two players already on the team who I think will make All-Star.
I think we're all underestimating the impact Wembanyama will have. It's almost impossible to comprehend yet. I know I'm still getting there. Like, my dad who hates anything but college basketball is talking about Wembanyama. The /nba_spurs sub on reddit is around 140,000 subscribers. I think it was closer to 100,000 before the draft lottery. It's going to go over 200,000 within a year, and those are Thunder numbers (a lot of millennials follow them due to Durant/Westbrook when they were kids). Wembanyama is going to bring in a lot of new fans.
First, Sochan and Vassell are All-Star capable already. With Victor's gravity, they're both going to shine. Not 100% on either, of course, but I think they're both going to shine. Other players on the roster, too. Second, we're not going to be begging for All-Star votes anymore. Wembanyama is going to get kids not only in France but China and other places voting for him. And then these other guys are going to get tack-on votes. Sochan is extremely presentable. People going to tune in to watch Wemby play and see what Sochan can do.
The days of SAS languishing in the dark are over.
Jeremy has that cachet. He’s going to get LOTS of votes outside of SA.
This is where I believe the Atlanta picks/pick swap will come in handy.
I'm pumping the brakes a little bit on Sochan. I think he's got a chance to be an All-star, but he's going to have to be at least an average 3-point threat to accomplish it. Can he become that? Maybe... on Devin, it's all about health... if that's good then he's got a legit shot..
Production wise, I think its Wemby, Vassell, Keldon and Sochan in that order. I’m optimistic Spurs already got their big 3 (or 4), with very qualified group of role players, Tre, Zollins, Malaki, Mamu, Wesley and now Sidy. Crazy but that feels like the Coffee Gang already.
I think Wemby, very much like Timmy, will corral everybody with his offense and defense. Vassell will have a free pass to just keep shooting. Keldon will electrify the 6th man role if he’s so willing. And Sochan? I think like Manu, he will be a beloved Spur. He has that aura of bringing the troops together, will sacrifice for the team.
I hate bringing an established “All Star” potentially stirring the pot. I like our guys already. I think the PATFO has assembled a very good high character young guys. Can’t wait.
No, he doesn't.
Yea, he does... he's good at alot of things but not elite enough to make it to that level without being a threat from outside..
Draymond was a parennial all-star and one could argue that Jeremy's potential is higher in every aspect of the game.
Nobody can legitimately make that argument based on what we've seen from Sochan.
I get that shooting is even more important in today's NBA, but ST becomes obsessed with it in this insane, almost psychotic way.
He's already making passes Draymond never did and obviously has great vision.
Averaged nearly 2 offensive rebounds per game, same as Draymond in his best season.
We'll have to see if he can become a leader on defense like Draymond, but he's going to be way more versatile because he can actually match up with quick guards.
His handles are way better than Draymond's.
Shooting is a big question mark, but he's doing everything he can to improve asap. How many players in today's NBA wouldn't be embarrassed to shoot one-handed FTs?
He's also way more athletic. Obviously needs more strength, but he just turned 20, while Draymond barely played before he turned 24.
Like, you could teleport Isiah Thomas onto this team from 1989 and most of SpursTalk would be like, NOPE, HE'S 6'1" and SHOOTS UNDEr 30% FROM DEEP.
If Blake Wesley would just learn to finish contested layups at the rim, he’d be a big piece of the puzzle moving forward tbh. He’s really good defensively, he’s already a plus 3-point shooter (on low volume), his midrange is coming along, and most importantly, he’s got explosive speed and one of the quickest first steps in the entire NBA already. He just misses everything around the rim and often takes unnecessarily wild shots once he gets there. Even his FT shooting was poor last season at 60%, which isn’t promising. His injury last season derailed his development. I’m hoping he takes a big step this season. If he doesn’t, I’ll assume he just doesn’t have the capability and he’s not part of the future of the Spurs.
As for that “2nd guy,” Vassell definitely has the highest potential of any player on the roster, especially with Wemby being the focus now. We’ll see if he can stay healthy enough games to prove it. As much as I love Sochan, I don’t ever see him being the second scorer on this team. He’s a 3rd or 4th imo, more of a Swiss army glue-guy and defensive menace than a go-to scorer. That could change if he he continues to develop his 3-point shot, but we’ll see.
Free Agency 2024 & 2025 wills be interesting. Depending on how Wemby looks, his health, and how much we improve over the next year or two, you could see a big name talent potentially wanted to come play with him tbh. Giannis, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Jaylen Brown, etc. Time will tell. This upcoming season will tell us a lot more about the direction of the franchise.
His defense cant even be compared to Draymond's at this point. His court vision, handle, etc are all good. As for his shooting, I'm NOT saying he can't become an average threat from deep. He is working hard on that and i believe it's within his reach. I'm just saying he's going to have to have that as part of his game to reach an all-star level.
We seem to have two prevailing views...the Mr Body camp that he's a can't miss all-star and the rascal camp that he's never going to be an All-star. I'm in neither.... I think he's got a chance, even a better chance than alot of others, but hes going to have to become a threat from deep to achieve it.
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