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    …that’s probably also why they sat Branham last night so they can see a tale of two halves: Wesley at PG last night and Branham at PG tomorrow. Guess we will see.

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    If Julian continues this trajectory, there’s less pressure for Branham to excel at the 2,3 positions and more experimentation at PG is probably welcome (since it is a dire need). IF Julian continues, this has a major impact on the roster and it allows so much more flexibility on what the Spurs can do asset-wise. Letting Vassell go wouldn’t hurt as much, for example. I saw flashes tonight of a damn good player.
    Ya that’s a risky way to go about it because Devin is that guy

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    If Julian continues this trajectory, there’s less pressure for Branham to excel at the 2,3 positions and more experimentation at PG is probably welcome (since it is a dire need). IF Julian continues, this has a major impact on the roster and it allows so much more flexibility on what the Spurs can do asset-wise. Letting Vassell go wouldn’t hurt as much, for example. I saw flashes tonight of a damn good player.
    I think it rather means they can trade McDermott. Champagnie can fill his role easily while being a better defender

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    Julian looks good but like barlow theres along way to go

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    somebody gotta tell me what are Barlow's weaknesses? Cause I don't see any besides maybe 3-point shooting. The kid just turned 20, has almost no holes in his game and has great size and athleticism plus a high basketball IQ. We're pretty much set at PF for a long time with him and Sochan.

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    somebody gotta tell me what are Barlow's weaknesses? Cause I don't see any besides maybe 3-point shooting. The kid just turned 20, has almost no holes in his game and has great size and athleticism plus a high basketball IQ. We're pretty much set at PF for a long time with him and Sochan.

    so far we have harden in julian,sprewell in wesley and siakam in barlow.... we stacked

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    somebody gotta tell me what are Barlow's weaknesses? Cause I don't see any besides maybe 3-point shooting. The kid just turned 20, has almost no holes in his game and has great size and athleticism plus a high basketball IQ. We're pretty much set at PF for a long time with him and Sochan.
    His weakness is that he wasn’t drafted in the nba lottery, so it’s going to take a lot of time to remove all doubt and skepticism even if the talent is clear as day tbh

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    WTF people are overreacting again. Just be happy we have 2 promising third stringers.

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    I'm really glad Spurs didn't bring in Plumlee or some other generic big, Bassey and Barlow need all the playing time they can get. Even Mamu.

    Wemby, Collins, Sochan, Bassey, Barlow and Mamu is good enough PF/C rotation for Wemby's rookie season. And if they continue developing on their current trajectory, Spurs won't have the need to bring in any bigs unless there's an opportunity to get another star.

    Keldon, McDermott and Champagnie trio is also more than good enough for perimeter forward positions.
    Cissoko has good instincts, but his overall offensive game is rough. Season in Austin it is, barring an injury crisis.

    Guard positions are up for grabs and somewhat concerning.
    Devin is obviously the only known quan y.
    Wesley definitely doesn't look like someone who can run an offense.
    Tre can't shoot.
    Branham has shown a lot of promise on offense, but is a horrible defender. Still, it's his place up for grabs because Tre's ceiling isn't very high.
    If he fails, Graham will probably get a lot of minutes.

    Overall, I'm really happy with the roster for a team that just had one of the worst records in the league.

    His weakness is that he wasn’t drafted in the nba lottery, so it’s going to take a lot of time to remove all doubt and skepticism even if the talent is clear as day tbh
    Yeah, it's ridiculous that neither Barlow nor Champagnie were drafted.
    Champagnie has size, great jumpshot and is a solid defender. Everything modern NBA role player needs. Unbelievable that noone picked him up in the second round.
    And he just turned 22, so it's not like he was old for a rookie.

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    I'm really glad Spurs didn't bring in Plumlee or some other generic big, Bassey and Barlow need all the playing time they can get. Even Mamu.

    Wemby, Collins, Sochan, Bassey, Barlow and Mamu is good enough PF/C rotation for Wemby's rookie season. And if they continue developing on their current trajectory, Spurs won't have the need to bring in any bigs unless there's an opportunity to get another star.

    Keldon, McDermott and Champagnie trio is also more than good enough for perimeter forward positions.
    Cissoko has good instincts, but his overall offensive game is rough. Season in Austin it is, barring an injury crisis.

    Guard positions are up for grabs and somewhat concerning.
    Devin is obviously the only known quan y.
    Wesley definitely doesn't look like someone who can run an offense.
    Tre can't shoot.
    Branham has shown a lot of promise on offense, but is a horrible defender. Still, it's his place up for grabs because Tre's ceiling isn't very high.
    If he fails, Graham will probably get a lot of minutes.

    Overall, I'm really happy with the roster for a team that just had one of the worst records in the league.



    Yeah, it's ridiculous that neither Barlow nor Champagnie were drafted.
    Champagnie has size, great jumpshot and is a solid defender. Everything modern NBA role player needs. Unbelievable that noone picked him up in the second round.
    And he just turned 22, so it's not like he was old for a rookie.
    The only concern with our bigs is injury history, not saying we need to pickup any now but I wouldn’t be surprised if one or 2 two-way spots are bigs. This is assuming Barlow gets a real contract.

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    Love this team tbh

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    My overreaction to last nights game with respect to Barlow and Champagnie?

    Trade Keldon and Socahn for 5 second round picks each!

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    Julian looks good but like barlow theres along way to go
    This. He continues to display his potential but that was the Charlotte Trashes on the other side.

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    Last year he was playing totally different in SL, shooting a lot, attacking the rim. The spurs wants him to be a PG so they kind off limit him to that not natural role, 8 assists is good, if he manages to cut some TO ( not hard imo) he'll be good.
    He doesn't have a natural role. He can't shoot, so he's useless off ball and he can't run an offense, so he's useless on ball. Terrible efficiency either way and a low basketball IQ.

    Forget being an NBA player, he's got an uphill battle just to remain on the team for a third season. They'll probably pick up the option because it's inexpensive, but that doesn't mean he'll be guaranteed.


    somebody gotta tell me what are Barlow's weaknesses? Cause I don't see any besides maybe 3-point shooting. The kid just turned 20, has almost no holes in his game and has great size and athleticism plus a high basketball IQ. We're pretty much set at PF for a long time with him and Sochan.
    Barlow is a C. The question is whether he can play as a solo big or does he need a floor spacing big alongside?

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    It's nice when the clear best player on the floor is not the #2 overall pick but the undrafted waiver claim you made the year before. And right on HIS heels was another undrafted signing from the previous year.

    I have to wonder how Hornets fans feel after that game.

    I realize it's the epitome of early. But something tells me this is less of a "Greg Ostertag game" than a sign of a genuinely bumpy road in their future.

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    That sequence where Barlow switched off on Miller was superb.

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    Wemby 19 years old, Barlow, Branham, Wesley, Sochan 20 years old, Bassey, Vassell, Champagnie 22 years old, Keldon and Tre 23 years old. Exciting times on the horizon.

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    I'd give Sidy a grade letter higher because it was his first game. I'd give Wesley a grade lower due to expectations.

    The silver lining with Wesley is that he carved out 8 points and 8 assists from that dumpster fire while playing decent defense with his feet.
    I think it’s easy to commit turnovers playing with guys that you haven’t practiced as much, in a Summer League where players tend to try to showcase themselves more than the team. I will give Wesley a flyer for this game. I think he was able to break defenses and distributed as much. I’ll give Wesley a B.

    JC and DB, both A+. Surely the best players in the court. JC playing PG on occassions was a pleasant surprise, and is another ballhandler for the team. Spurs need to bag Barlow with the same contract as JC or Bassey. Barlow will be more than a serviceable big.

    Sidy I was a bit disappointed. He’s been playing with the Ignite so the same format. I expect him to produce more next game.

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    He doesn't have a natural role. He can't shoot, so he's useless off ball and he can't run an offense, so he's useless on ball. Terrible efficiency either way and a low basketball IQ.

    Forget being an NBA player, he's got an uphill battle just to remain on the team for a third season. They'll probably pick up the option because it's inexpensive, but that doesn't mean he'll be guaranteed.
    I’d really like Blake Wesley to succeed. However, he doesn’t look like an NBA player. You’d think by the second year he’d at least look like one even if his game still had a lot of flaws. You really have to dig deep into homerdom to find something good about his performances. I don’t think he’s going to make it in the league.

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    EJ with a B+? Yeesh.

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    Wemby 19 years old, Barlow, Branham, Wesley, Sochan 20 years old, Bassey, Vassell, Champagnie 22 years old, Keldon and Tre 23 years old. Exciting times on the horizon.
    But trade dem all for Lillard!

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    If Julian continues this trajectory, there’s less pressure for Branham to excel at the 2,3 positions and more experimentation at PG is probably welcome (since it is a dire need). IF Julian continues, this has a major impact on the roster and it allows so much more flexibility on what the Spurs can do asset-wise. Letting Vassell go wouldn’t hurt as much, for example. I saw flashes tonight of a damn good player.
    Honestly he may not get that long. Its possible if he doens't show enough by the end of October that the Spurs could decline his 3rd year option. Especially if we might have 3 picks next draft.

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    But trade dem all for Lillard!
    Bro, literally no one has said this. It’s been a variation of one or two players and a couple picks that people are suggesting. Why do people go to extremes to try to prove a point?

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    Honestly he may not get that long. Its possible if he doens't show enough by the end of October that the Spurs could decline his 3rd year option. Especially if we might have 3 picks next draft.
    I think the Spurs will pick up the third year option because it's only $2.6M. The year 4 option is $4.7M, and if Wesley doesn't improve then he certainly isn't worth that.

    The Spurs have invested a lot of player development into Wesley, but the fact that they let Samanic go shows that they don't always fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. There is only so much time and attention to go around with the player development staff.

    Even if Wesley continues on his current trajectory and ends up being a straight up bust, that's an acceptable outcome for the lowest of three first round picks in the same year at #25. He was a home run swing and so far looks like a whiff.

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    I think the Spurs will pick up the third year option because it's only $2.6M. The year 4 option is $4.7M, and if Wesley doesn't improve then he certainly isn't worth that.

    The Spurs have invested a lot of player development into Wesley, but the fact that they let Samanic go shows that they don't always fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. There is only so much time and attention to go around with the player development staff.

    Even if Wesley continues on his current trajectory and ends up being a straight up bust, that's an acceptable outcome for the lowest of three first round picks in the same year at #25. He was a home run swing and so far looks like a whiff.
    Agree. Wesley still has a lot of runway. He's clearly working hard, clearly trying. Maybe the penny never drops, but this is literally the franchise we all love for having the 'pounding the rock' mentality. Samanic would have stayed if he didn't have a poor at ude and gave up on plays -- one final one in particular. Blake Wesley does not give up on plays.

    I still have faith. It's going to take a while.

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