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There are 30 teams, not all of them are going to have superstars. Just look at what Houston threw at FVV. Under the new contract, teams have much less incentive to be under the salary floor, and the cap is going up. But we shall see.
Something like 4/120 would be the sweet spot for a high level role player if you believe in his health. Don't think he's ever played more than 70 games in a season.
His max though? It'll start at over $40 mil per next summer as a 7 year vet. No way.
There are 30 teams, not all of them are going to have superstars. Just look at what Houston threw at FVV. Under the new contract, teams have much less incentive to be under the salary floor, and the cap is going up. But we shall see.
Wemby
Vassell
Sochan
Malaki
None of these guys are getting paid yet, but they're going to, and Keldon kind of already is. We also have a ton more FRPs in the pipeline, and some of them could be high picks.
The worst thing you can do is take on heavy salary for a non-superstar. I don't even think OG will turn out to be as good as Jalen Brown, who I consider pretty mid.
, didn't know he had been in the league that long. Yeah with say a $146 million cap next year you're looking at $43.8 million starting and a free agent deal being 4 years, $187 million. Though the NBA will have a new TV deal starting 2025-26 that Forbes is speculating could lead to a $50 million bump in the salary cap for 2025-26 like the one we saw that allowed Golden State to sign Durant.
if i understand correctly, per the cba rules, cap cant go up by more than 10% in a given year. if the revenue es, the cap increase will be smoothed out over a period of time
With the bump in the cap for 25-26 I'd probably pay Jalen Brown a pre bump max (though not a supermax), but no ing way on Anunoby. Six years in the league, in his physical prime, and still around just a league average player.
Oh yeah forgot a new CBA was recently signed and I think the article I was referring to on Forbes was from before that. Good catch.
I’m not saying we should but if we did then the great thing about it is that we would have length and defense at every single position. And in todays nba that is invaluable. I’m assuming we get a new PG in the draft. But a whole team that could switch would be awesome.
But it’s troublesome to pay a guy $43 million a year when he will be out 3rd option offensively. His stats will be pretty much capped at what they are now and that isn’t a $43 million a year guy. I’d take him for 30 though
lol if his max is pushing 40 its not worth considering. he's not that caliber of player.
as i said earlier, i think his fit on the team would be superb, but that comes with an understanding of what his talent level actually is, in addition to fit.
i also dont know if he's going to draw a max offer. then again, fvv did
The smart thing to do in those situations, and Toronto did it, was to let him walk. The smarter thing to do is get something at the deadline, even some SRPs. They're not a good enough team to overpay players. One of Siakam or OG is gone.
i dont disagree. the question from boston's perspective is how they would be able to replace Brown's production. i'm aware his advanced stats arent very good, but lets just work under the premise that he's a good, productive player in his prime, and was 2nd team all-nba. lets say they made the prudent move to let him walk after this season. suddenly they have the same roser minus brown and are still operating above the cap, in an era where FA pools tend to be pretty limited because of the max/supermax system.
how does boston sustain its ability to perennially contend if its better players just leave. late 20's draft picks? there arent any immediately obvious answers. if you look at contending teams in recent years... theyre not really in the habit of just letting very good players walk
Who?
first austin reaves is the second coming…
now this scrub?
I think there are going to be multiple ways to build a team. Too many folks are convinced this CBA is going to stop teams from having multiple max players. But that's not what is hurting Boston. There's enough room for both guys to make the max -- even the DPE given how the cap is rising -- but it means they have to be economical about the rest of their roster. They can't have guys like White, Brogdon and maybe Horford, Williams and Kristaps all making mid-sized deals. The whole, "Well let's give Vassell and Branham and Sochan Keldon-esque extensions and see what we have" logic is also in question. What it means to be a "value contract" may change. Before guys like Balmer and Lacob broke the system completely by throwing out absurd payrolls, buyouts were how teams with multiple max players increased the talent of the rest of their roster. That has been limited by the new CBA. What hasn't been limited has been the benefit of drafting guys, especially in the middle of the draft.
It's always going to be easier to find a guy who can provide mid-sized value for a low-end salary than it is to find a guy who can provide legit high-end value on a mid-sized salary. The Spurs using up their cap space on JAGish young players with some potential is maybe A way to proceed. But they could also use some of their many, many picks to replace guys like Vassell, Branham and the others while using their cap space on stars. Despite the conversation from a couple of weeks ago, this CBA is designed for teams who are good at drafting -- meaning good at picking players who can provide impact on their rookie salaries. It is hostile to teams who drafted well at one point seven to 10 years ago and want to just keep that team together. But teams that can hit often enough on their late-firsts and seconds, who can sign the right two-way guys -- those are the teams that can have success year after year. EVERYONE wants to avoid an expensive mistake -- stop trying to use that quote like scripture. Buying a lemon of a car is an expensive mistake. That doesn't mean the alternative is to take the bus everywhere.
does a rising cap really have anything to do with how you handle DPE guys since they're indexed to the cap anyway?
150% agreed on the "eXpEnSiVe MiStAkE" discourse
^ I still think having a bunch of good (perceived or real) young players on team friendly contracts will have value because you almost always need them to grease the wheels in a superstar/star trade.
Whether his catch all advanced metrics indicate it or not, Johnson, for example, is an easy sell for president/GM X who just traded star Y to the Spurs for him, salary filler and picks. He can always sell to casuals (who comprise the majority of every fan base) that he was on the U.S. Olympic team and has been a 20+ ppg scorer, etc.
The DPE is only tied to the cap it's first year. After that, the cap rises faster than the contract, and thus it becomes a smaller percentage of whatever salary limit you want to use. Wemby's DPE would be way more than what Brown just agreed to. Like Westbrook's DPE had dropped from 35 percent of the cap this first year to 33 percent the last year, despite COVID depressing the cap for a couple of seasons. Of course, the cap may not grow that fast, but there's a decent chance that Brown's absurd 24/25 number will end up being a big-but-way-more-common 28-29 number. The Cetlics should still have several 10s of millions of dollars to fill out their roster while staying under that second apron. It's very doable, so long as they don't overpay their supporting players and draft well.
If the Spurs are planning on building through trades, having good players on mid-sized contracts can be a plus. If they're planning on building through the draft or free agency, it's a harder sell. Surprisingly few young players on mid-sized deals get moved. It's somewhat because they're valuable to their own teams. But it's also because there isn't a huge trade market out there. It's way too easy to end up overvaluing them, ala Toronto with OG and Brooklyn with Bridges. Every once in a while, you have a Covington and Saric for Butler deal fall into your lap, but it's feels more like a trap to my mind than a legit boon.
ah, i forgot those are set raises and not just continually pinned to the cap.
2025 offseason will be the big test for them. thats after tatum's big money will kick in, and its when White/Brogdon/Horford are expiring. horford will be ancient by then, and it already seems like brogdon is breaking down, but nevertheless those are big rotation players that will have to be replaced.
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