Deveney: Executive Says Magic/Spurs Poised To 'Swipe' Quickley?

[The Truth #6]

I was curious about Quickly last Summer. A trade for Keldon is probably reasonable, fairly equal value, but I would try to get some draft capital. But I may be in the minority here but I think Keldon has improved: better passing, shooting is back up, and his handle is way better. At this point I'd hold on to him and get a filler point guard for now that is cheaper. Coby White, could shoot the 3, get into the paint, make basic passes. Someone of that I'll. Or, you know, just play Gray and stop force feeding Malaki so much exclusively.

I think Keldon could be the 5th option on a le team. Vassell, either 4th or 5th. We have our eventual 1st option. (Jeremy is looking like an 8th man until he settles into a long-term role).

So, I'm at, basically, just play Graham and look for talent in the draft, and maybe look for Dillingham in the draft with the Toronto pick. Just spitballing. Someone better may drop, etc.

[scott]

Based on what we are seeing out of the Spurs this season, I have a hard time believing Pop and co. aren't serious about this zero-PG look long term. Even in moving Wemby to Center, they elected to pair him with 4 wings instead of Tre Jones. One of the Spurs beat writers mentioned that Pop said they have put a lot of thought into this direction. We all assume that we'll get the PG of the future in the offseason via draft or some other vehicle, but be prepared to be disappointed when we don't pick one.

[TD 21]

Okay, say this with me:

We.
Don't.
Want.
To.
Win.
This.
Year.

Get it? Let the winning start next year. Doesn't mean development doesn't happen. In fact, it's very important that those who are likely to be with the team do develop. Just don't be a knuckle-head and hero-ball us into unneeded wins.

I
Said
This
Will
Almost
Certainly
Have
To
Wait
Until
The
Off
Season.

Either way, they're too far gone and he's not good enough to rescue them from top odds at a top 3-5 pick.

Based on what we are seeing out of the Spurs this season, I have a hard time believing Pop and co. aren't serious about this zero-PG look long term. Even in moving Wemby to Center, they elected to pair him with 4 wings instead of Tre Jones. One of the Spurs beat writers mentioned that Pop said they have put a lot of thought into this direction. We all assume that we'll get the PG of the future in the offseason via draft or some other vehicle, but be prepared to be disappointed when we don't pick one.

Quickley is a 3 and D combo guard/secondary creator and at 6'3'' in shoes, 195 with a 6'8.25'' wingspan, he's not that small either.

[MannyIsGod]

Okay, say this with me:

We.
Don't.
Want.
To.
Win.
This.
Year.

Get it? Let the winning start next year. Doesn't mean development doesn't happen. In fact, it's very important that those who are likely to be with the team do develop. Just don't be a knuckle-head and hero-ball us into unneeded wins.

The Spurs have lost 16 in a row and Pop is getting desperate for a win
..I don't think you have to worry to much about the Spurs winning but they can't lose the way they have all season. They desperately need a point and I think they're much more likely to make a.move now.

I mean wtf do you think quickley takes them out of the lottery or something?

[exstatic]

The Spurs have lost 16 in a row and Pop is getting desperate for a win
..I don't think you have to worry to much about the Spurs winning but they can't lose the way they have all season. They desperately need a point and I think they're much more likely to make a.move now.

I mean wtf do you think quickley takes them out of the lottery or something?

He certainly takes them out of the top 5. Isn’t the point of tanking to be in the top 5? Being top 5 may also block Toronto from tanking to save this year’s pick.

To get really good in the NBA, you must first be really bad,and it might take more than 1 year. Houston did it wrong this year. They have a top 4 protected pick, which they have basically thrown away to pursue vets,and be mid. They should have tanked one more year.

[scott]

He certainly takes them out of the top 5. Isn’t the point of tanking to be in the top 5? Being top 5 may also block Toronto from tanking to save this year’s pick.

To get really good in the NBA, you must first be really bad,and it might take more than 1 year. Houston did it wrong this year. They have a top 4 protected pick, which they have basically thrown away to pursue vets,and be mid. They should have tanked one more year.

Maybe, but I definitely wouldn't be putting my money on that either!

[onechance87]

Maybe, but I definitely wouldn't be putting my money on that either!

hes a pg whos a decent passer,Who can defend and can shoot....Pretty much what we been missing thats
hurting us

[TD 21]

Two final things on this . . .

- If the Spurs don't draft a PG, of course they'd be more likely to offer Graham than Jones, but that'll just mean it'd cost them a better pick (Bulls '25 1st?).

- Of course Quickley isn't a lead guard on a championship contender. So what? They're eons from that. What he is, is basically a half decade younger White replacement (a disastrous trade at the moment) in terms of archetype; a malleable, positive impact player, who'd instantly become their third best player and won't cost premium draft equity.

[exstatic]

Two final things on this . . .

- If the Spurs don't draft a PG, of course they'd be more likely to offer Graham than Jones, but that'll just mean it'd cost them a better pick (Bulls '25 1st?).

- Of course Quickley isn't a lead guard on a championship contender. So what? They're eons from that. What he is, is basically a half decade younger White replacement (a disastrous trade at the moment) in terms of archetype; a malleable, positive impact player, who'd instantly become their third best player and won't cost premium draft equity.

Derrick White was never a long term solution to anything, even if he’d been kept. He’s months from being 30, and will be retired before Wemby hits his 27 YO athletic peak.

[TD 21]

Derrick White was never a long term solution to anything, even if he’d been kept. He’s months from being 30, and will be retired before Wemby hits his 27 YO athletic peak.

What does that have to do with it being a disastrous trade at the moment?

[MannyIsGod]

The idea that Quickley takes the Spurs out of bottom 5 in the lottery is incredible. I guess some people here just don't realize how bad this team is.

[Seventyniner]

The idea that Quickley takes the Spurs out of bottom 5 in the lottery is incredible. I guess some people here just don't realize how bad this team is.

Notwithstanding the Spurs' already putrid record.

If the Spurs wait until the deadline to get Quickley there won't be much of the season left for the standings to shift anyway.

[KobesAchilles]

I’m not even sure if I want the Spurs to take a pg with our pick this year. I’d rather get a legit wing player. I’m tired of KJ and his lack of defense. A Wemby, Sochan, drafted SF, and Vassell line up would be very interesting going forward. I think we could always trade for a PG or just flat out overpay for one. CP3 is up next year, Conley is too. Spencer is a free agent as well. There are options. I also wouldn’t mind taking a look at Gordon Hayward next year. I really want experience and brains on this team next year. Have the young guys actually learn instead of random posters saying/insisting that our youth are learning (while winning only 3 games).

[scott]

The idea that Quickley takes the Spurs out of bottom 5 in the lottery is incredible. I guess some people here just don't realize how bad this team is.

It's the same as all the "if we had taken _____, we wouldn't be able to get Wemby" - the fact is that not even Wemby himself can prevent this putrid roster get out of a bottom 3 record

Brian Wright has made some good trades, but has assembled an embarrassingly poor collection of talent, and Pop hasn't done much to coach them. Time for a total FO/Coaching overhaul.

[TekXX]

The seasons already done, i doubt the Spurs are interested in "helping" this team with a trade. They're tanking for the best possible pick.

[tbdog]

It's the same as all the "if we had taken _____, we wouldn't be able to get Wemby" - the fact is that not even Wemby himself can prevent this putrid roster get out of a bottom 3 record

Brian Wright has made some good trades, but has assembled an embarrassingly poor collection of talent, and Pop hasn't done much to coach them. Time for a total FO/Coaching overhaul.

It wasn' long ago Spurs had Murray and Poeltl for a full season, white for half, thad for a quarter. And somehow won 34 games. Vassell, Johnson and Trey were all significantly worse then. Lonnie Walker was shooting 40% then as well. Zach played like 25 games. McDermott started in 50 games.

Spurs shouldn't be this far off from that team.

[R. DeMurre]

- Of course Quickley isn't a lead guard on a championship contender. So what? They're eons from that. What he is, is basically a half decade younger White replacement (a disastrous trade at the moment) in terms of archetype; a malleable, positive impact player, who'd instantly become their third best player and won't cost premium draft equity.

If Wemby is the #1 option and there's a future wing who's a #2 option, I think Quickley could absolutely be a PG on a contender, especially if there are two other solid starters. IQ's impact stats over 4 seasons prove pretty conclusively that he's always a net positive player, and that's the type of glue guy you need to augment a team with two stars.

[z0sa]

If Wemby is the #1 option and there's a future wing who's a #2 option, I think Quickley could absolutely be a PG on a contender, especially if there are two other solid starters. IQ's impact stats over 4 seasons prove pretty conclusively that he's always a net positive player, and that's the type of glue guy you need to augment a team with two stars.

Imagine when some of these find out we won a le with Avery Johnson

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Do it. KJ for Quickley. Straight up. Knicks need shooting. We need a PG.

You son of a , I'm in.

I mean, what can it hurt at this point if it doesn't work out? This team has a legit shot at breaking the all-time worst single season win/loss record.

[jjspur]

It wasn' long ago Spurs had Murray and Poeltl for a full season, white for half, thad for a quarter. And somehow won 34 games. Vassell, Johnson and Trey were all significantly worse then. Lonnie Walker was shooting 40% then as well. Zach played like 25 games. McDermott started in 50 games.

Spurs shouldn't be this far off from that team.

Your assessment is quite accurate and yet here we are with one of the absolutely worse teams. I don't think its lack of talent, but rather lack of coaching. What I mean is that the players above were young veterans who Pop can coach, but give him rookies or really young players with little to no experience and he is a terrible coach. You have to have a decent mix of vets and young players to be successful. Again, your savvy vets provide the experience that many young players lack no matter how much potential they have. Ask yourself, what top 5 starting lineup doesn't have way more experienced vets (more than 4 years) than really young players or rookies. I'll give you a hint, it isn't the spurs.

[exstatic]

Your assessment is quite accurate and yet here we are with one of the absolutely worse teams. I don't think its lack of talent, but rather lack of coaching. What I mean is that the players above were young veterans who Pop can coach, but give him rookies or really young players with little to no experience and he is a terrible coach. You have to have a decent mix of vets and young players to be successful. Again, your saavy vets provide the experience that many young players lack no matter how much potiential the have.

We
Are
Tanking

[scott]

We
Are
Tanking

I feel like you're the guy who told us we weren't tanking because there was no one to tank for?

[baseline bum]

I feel like you're the guy who told us we weren't tanking because there was no one to tank for?

That was me. I think the team is just awful and being horribly coached. Don't really see them losing on purpose.

[baseline bum]

You son of a , I'm in.

I mean, what can it hurt at this point if it doesn't work out? This team has a legit shot at breaking the all-time worst single season win/loss record.

I'd kind of like to use Keldon to clear capspace to go after Anunoby this summer given how desperately this team needs both defense and shooting. Would be really hard to get someone to take Zollins & Branham & Champagnie instead to clear that space after adding Quickley unless the Spurs start throwing in picks.

[exstatic]

I feel like you're the guy who told us we weren't tanking because there was no one to tank for?

There's no generational player, but if you are in the top 4-5, you'll pick up a good sidekick for Wemby, maybe a PG. Yes, they fooled me for 10 games or so.