Too bad the Bulls pick is protected I just drew picks 1,2 and 4 on Tankathon with Bulls getting the 1.
Hey Mods, can we merge this thread with:
This one: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=303944
And this one: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=303997
And this one too: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=303501
And while I'm being a little and making requests... can people stop making new ing 2025 NBA Draft threads?
Not like we already have a generational talent on the team.
Isn’t Monoco the defending French A league champion?
Yes, but Traoré's team won. He is the only one to have a +/- negative. He played against two players from the French team (Okobo and Strazel) and against Euroleague legend Nick Calathes. He was bad at shooting and without much impact on the result, but there is what you don't see in stats: he is not afraid to take shots and he inspires great confidence in the organization of the game. Facing one of the five best European teams, it's a good learning experience for him.
Today there are still quite a few French prospects playing: Perrin, Penda, Mohamed Diawara.
Thanks Lim for that information
A quick overview of Spurs picks in this draft:
Spurs will have between 2 to 4 first round picks and 2 second round picks:
- Spurs first round pick
- Hawks first round pick
- Bulls top10 protected first round pick. If Bulls pick is in the top10, then it's a top8 in 2026, top8 in 2027 before turning into a 2028 second round pick.
- Hornets top14 protected first round pick. If Hornets pick is in the top14, then Spurs get Hornet's 2026 and 2027 second round picks.
- Spurs second round pick
- Bulls second round pick
Latest W/L betting odds to get an idea of what these picks will be.
1. Nets 18.5
2. Wizards 20.5
3. Blazers 22.5
4. Pistons 24.5
5. Bulls 27.5
6. Jazz 29.5
7. Hornets 29.5
8. Raptors 30.5
9. Hawks 35.5
10. Spurs 36.5
11. Clippers 39.5
12...30 +/- at 43.5 or higher.
If the season unfolds like that, Spurs will get picks #9, #10, #35 and #40. With the 9th an 10th worst record picks, Spurs will have a bout a 32% odd of having at least one of the two picks ending in the top4.
There is a path for Hornets pick to convey because the east is weak. They are projected right now to finish 11th but aren't that far from the 10th seed (Raptors) and 9th seed (Hawks). If Hornets finish 9th or 10th in the east and qualify for the playoffs through the play in, Spurs will get the #15 from them. It's quite unlikely but not something unthinkable.
It's debatable whether or not getting the Bulls pick this year would be a good thing for obvious reasons. The main argument for getting it is that Bulls might finish top8 in 2026 and 2027 and that the pick will turn into a second round pick. The main argument for not getting it is that Spurs will have no use of a third pick in the 11th to 15th range with both Spurs and Hawks picks projected to be in that range.
At that stage, I'm not sure there is a lot more to say:
- It too soon to talk about a lot of prospects while the college season hasn't started.
- It's unclear what Spurs need will be next summer. For example, Spurs need won't be the same if Castle is good or not and if he can play PG.
- It's hard to know what is exactly Spurs' rebuilding plan. The Castle pick was quite logical but trading away #8 and using #35 to stash a player was weird.
Regarding Euro prospects:
In France, the best prospect is by far Nolan Traoré. He has great size and strength for a PG, plays well the P&R and is a good playmaker. His shooting is questionable and he needs to step up defensively.
In Germany, Ulm has two interesting prospects with Noa Essengue and Ben Saraf. Essengue is a SF/PF who is very young (born in December 2006) and has a great combination of size and mobility. He is still raw and his biggest weakness is his outside shoot. Saraf is a lefty PG/SG who was the best scorer at the U18 Eurobasket this summer. Form the little I've seen of him, I'm very intrigued.
In Spain, there are some good guards too: Hugo Gonzalez and Mario Saint-Supery.
There will have some other Euro prospects with, like almost every year, one or two coming from the former Yugoslavia. A noteworthy trend is that more and more European prospects are going to NCAA with the NIL money.
Aside of the draft, there is also Juan Nunez to keep an eye on. He has had a quiet summer with Spain NT and with Barcelona.
it was a bad draft, so kicking #8 down the road for a #1 protected swap and an unprotected pick was a good move. Imagine if the Spurs had a #1 protected swap in 2004 and an unprotected pick in 2005 during the Duncan era. That’s the exact same time offset that the Minny pick and swap have to right now.
As for second rounders, at least in the near term, I don’t care. There’s almost no chance that they ever make the roster with all of the existing and future first round picks each getting four years. The Spurs almost never fail to run out that clock unless there is a serious personal issue. Even guys who don’t stay long term like Kyle Anderson and Lonnie Walker get those four years because first rounders may or may not become stars, but they’re always cheap labor.
It would actually be a disaster to hypothetically pick and keep those 3 FRPs. Can you imagine if they all hit, and you had to pay them all in the same year with Victor already being paid like $70M? You couldn’t do it. I’m not even convinced the Spurs will keep both picks next year if one or both jump into the top 4.
Just keep pushing draft picks into the future unless a can’t miss project falls in your lap and stash a young promising prospect every year. We are sitting pretty, it’s only ( the big picture )just begun to take shape.
I didn't realize the Spurs were as high as 36.5 on the betting lines. That seems high, but I have no idea.
We may see some teams pull the plug early and don't think Charlotte is a threat to make the playoffs. I think Chicago will be in a mostly tank mode and we won't see their pick thsi year, which is fine.
I'm fascinated to see how the ostensible top board changes. How it looks now vs. six months from now.
It'll be fun to watch over the next six or seven seasons the development between Nikola Topic and Nolan Traoré. They've had very similar trajectories in their young careers.
I'm a Traore fan tbh... he is crafty, fast, good passer. His shot selection and efficiency are a work in progress but I like his potential. He looks like a good kid with a bright future
Thanks for the info, Bruno. Some good information there that makes it a bit easier to see what the Spurs potentially have.
Do you guys think it would be better if the Chicago pick doesn't convey this year? The Hornets pick, though, we'd definitely want to convey otherwise the Spurs miss out. Doesn't seem like the Hornets will finish high enough for the Spurs to be able to get it.
I'm confused about the age thing between if you're born in December or January (like Victor). Does school work the same for both of those months, or does one put you a year behind as far as school year/grade goes?
It's just that despite being born the same year, supposedly same age category, they basically have a year difference. Being born at the end of the year kinda inflates ur value.
man, how did Rutgers land those two top prospects? Seems random as .
I think one of them maybe had a brother that went there.
Dylan Harper's brother is Ron Harper, Jr., who played for Rutgers. Their father played in the NBA but I can't remember his name.
Youth basketball in Europe isn't linked with school. Local basketball teams are linked with cities. Within a local team, there are different teams for different ages. Ages group are defined by the year players are born.
When a player start to be too good for his age group, he is often put with older players instead of letting him dominate players of his age. For example, in 2021, Wembanyama (born in 2004) played the U19 world cup (for players born in 2002 and later).
What matters here is however draft eligibility. The first year a player can enter in the draft is:
- For an international player, the year he will be/turn 19.
- For an American player, one year after leaving HS and he also must be/turn at least 19 in that year.
Stephon Castle was born on November 1st 2004. If he were an international player, he could have entered the 2023 draft but he wasn't allowed to do so because he was an American student of the 2023 class.
For the 2025 draft, players must be born before January 1st 2007. The two youngest players in the draft will be Essengue and Flagg who are born in December 2006.
Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.
Obviously if someone's a Jr it's same name, I'm sure he was being sarcastic ��
Thanks Bruno!
I think if we got a third (or 4th, if Charlotte pick conveys) we'd look to do something like the Dillingham pick and trade and move assets into the future, unless they really love a combination like Tre Johnson, Liam McNeeley and Rocco in that range (or Trader / Harper etc if they move up plus others in the group at around 10). A lot of teams don't have picks in this draft, and could be in a situation where they are willing to give up surplus future value for a chance to have one last shot with ageing stars (Cough lakers cough...).
Yes, thank you.
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