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    Iranian fundamentalist leadership has maintained for a decade or more that they are willing to see 50 million Muslims die in exchange for the 6 million Israeli Jews.

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    Are you high? If, and this is a big if, Iran was able to produce 3 nuclear weapons, don't you think it would be more prudent for them to keep them as a defensive weapon in case of an invasion? Jerusalem is as holy to Muslims as it is to Christians and Jews. Israel 'allegedly' has hundreds of nuclear weapons, you think Iran wants to face that rath?
    I too think Iran wants nuclear weapons as a defensive weapon more than anything. It is hard to argue that when we say that is the purpose of our nuclear weapons.

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    right now iran is riding a wave of fundamentalism (in america, conservativism, in germany during the weimar republic, jingoism)

    i think the us should do "negotiationing" in concert with the un for as long as it takes, and hope the fundy leaders lose favor with the people because of domestic conerns....because if hits the fan in iran..it really gonbe some

    iran will also put up a much better fight than iraq...i can't even imagine what the results would be if we tried to 'occupy'/'liberate' iran half-assedly like we're doing in iraq right now

    ww3 is right

    plus, iran possessing the capability to make nukes isn't going to increase the likelihood of the us mainland getting hit by a nuclear weapon
    WW's I & II were fought by opposing forces with very equal potential, both in soldiers, and in technology - and included the choosing of sides by a mul ude of nations just about spanning the globe.

    A US Iranian war does not begin to meet that level of conflict, regardless of how "thin" our military might be spread.

    Also, do you actually consider conservatives in this country the equivalent of radical islamasists & Nazis? You might want to expand your mind a bit.

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    Look, lets all take a step back and realize something that is very true.

    The American military is the single-greatest military the world has ever seen.
    The American military holds a HUGE advantage over any single country in terms of war.

    Absolute true statements. Now, if every country in the world signed a treaty and attacked the US, we would most likely lose.

    But that is NEVER going to happen.

    Sooooo....

    Iran, shmran. You know, there would be no argument about Iraq if Sadaam had attacked Kuwait/whomever like he did in 90-91. If/when Iran has nuclear capability (dont forget N.Korea), let them think they have an upper hand. Force them into something stupid, unite the world against them, and run every single living thing inside its borders from the face of the planet.

    Sign me up, coach.

    It is my opinion that the inherant differences between Western and MiddleEastern cultures is too much to overcome. They are a culture that was FORCED to advance to even be able to sit at the same table as the rest of the world.

    If you were the slow kid at school, and medical science suddenly cured you, what would your reaction be to the other kids who mocked you all your life and had things and accomplished things all whilst you werent able to? Spell jealousy and anger.

    I am of the mind, they (the ME) has 2 choices. Cut the pounding your chest routine and join the ing 19th century at least, or continue down this path of futility and brutality and reap the consequences.

    Iran will up. Just give em time. It wont be on US soil either. If/when they have nukes, they are going to be reeeeeeeeal confident at any and all negotiating tables. They might just get into a spat with a fellow regional country. Let them kill each other.

    IMO, the US leadership has to step away from this direct approach to the region. I think subtlety is needed. Turn these neanderthals against one another somehow. They only have one uniting factor...they all hate us. Nothing unites better than a common enemy. Remove the common enemy somehow by driving wedges between them all. That whole region would self-destruct faster than an Inspector Gadget note from Chief (5secs fyi).

    My opinion anyway. I have no love of the people that inhabit the region. None, zero. Thats why this liberation bull the Pres exudes bothers the out of me. These people havent been on the same level since the Babylonian days. I cant remember where I heard this (probably the History channel), but even in those days the Westerners were more confused by the people of the middle east more than they were scared.

    Even then, the leaders didnt exactly negotiate in any form of civil manner or engage in any meaningful politics. Sound familiar?

    As much as things change, the more they stay the same. Give them more than enough rope to hang themselves. We'll swoop in for the oil after their done killing themselves like the animals they are. Their lives are one step up the ladder from my dog on the Importance Meter.

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    right now iran is riding a wave of fundamentalism (in america, conservativism, in germany during the weimar republic, jingoism)

    i think the us should do "negotiationing" in concert with the un for as long as it takes, and hope the fundy leaders lose favor with the people because of domestic conerns....because if hits the fan in iran..it really gonbe some

    iran will also put up a much better fight than iraq...i can't even imagine what the results would be if we tried to 'occupy'/'liberate' iran half-assedly like we're doing in iraq right now

    ww3 is right

    plus, iran possessing the capability to make nukes isn't going to increase the likelihood of the us mainland getting hit by a nuclear weapon
    Bear in mind that the Iranian population is about 4 times as large as Iraq, more spread out, and the economy is in better shape, with multi-billion dollar contracts with Russia and China.

    There will be no invasion or attack of Iran by a unilateral US government. We may be the only standing superpower, but we are NOT invincible.

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    I think we loan Israel some real estate on an aircraft carrier stationed off the coast of Iran. It's the only way Israel could logistically pull it off.

    Oh yeah, we could loan them some of our crack CIA intelligence **cough**cough** "operatives." When they're not talking to ABC, that is.

    Seriously, I think we encourage and support anyone willing to turn their nuclear ambitions into to a pile of rubble...or, do it ourselves. We're in the neighborhood.

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    I know, that's the best you got.

    If you think islam is older than christianity and Judiasm then you need to repeat the 4th grade. Islam was started 1000 yrs after christianity and and 3000 yrs after Judaism. Islam was is based on the belief of one man who claimed that all of Judaism was wrong even though they wrote the book on Abraham and Isaac and that Abraham blessed Ishmael and the arab races. If it hadn't been for the Old testament, mohammed would of raped every in the region to worship a pagan moon god.

    Seriously, if you want to discuss theology i suggest you debate someone else.

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    Islam was is based on the belief of one man
    A drunken, murderer at that.

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    Don't say that, you'd might get death by a thousand smileys.

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    Don't say that, you'd might get death by a thousand smileys.
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